Eric Mangini Fired

[kevmvp]

I was going to make a thread for fired Head Coaches and try and not make it all about the Jets but I think we all knew that Crennel and Marinelli were going to be fired.

The Mangini decision was a tough one. He had a great first season in 2006 with the Jets. 10-6 and a WC team off a 4-12 season after Herm left us high and dry and Chad was coming off his second rotator cuff surgery is a very good job. But 2007 was a let down.

Thats ok though. They had a soft schedule in 06 and played well and in turn they got a tougher one in 2007 when they probably werent good enough to play with a lot of those teams.

So they go out and spend a good deal of money. They built a very strong O-Line. Kris Jenkins for about 3/4 of the season was a dominant force and Calvin Pace and Tony Richardson played very well. Then of course you have Brett Favre.

I have no problem with this team going from 4-12 to 9-7 with those additions. The problem is that they went from 4-12 to 8-3 to 9-7. And they were clicking on all cylanders culminating with a beat down of the Tennessee Titans in Tennessee. Then they just fell apart. Thats unacceptable. Throw in some of the poor decisions he made and you can see why the Jets wanted to move into a different direction. The fan base had turned on him. It was getting ugly Sunday at the Meadowlands. You had Dolphin fans there being annoying as usual (No matter how many times we beat them down they always seem to come back for more) and you had the Jet fans sick and tired of the decisions made by Mangini. Some of the biggest.

1. The lack of touches he gave to Leon Washington- Thats unnacceptable. He is our only game breaking player. He needs to touch the ball as many times as he did in the Dolphin game. Those touches were not there for most of the season.

2. The pass rush disapearing- After the Pats game the pass rush was non existant. It was there, I saw it, and then it wasnt. I look at coaching.

3. The lack of Blitzing- There bad in coverage so the best way to help that is to try and get to the QB faster. Instead Mangini decided to drop more guys back into coverage. That move didnt work out.

I think Mangini could be a good coach. He had 3 seasons in New York and 2 of them he won more games then he lost. But I could understand firing a coach after a collapse like that when he doesnt really have a track record.

As for replacements. Obviously Cowher is the big name. I'd like to get him in here. The Jets need stability in their coaching staff. Cowher would bring that.

I heard he told the Browns and Lions he isnt interested and he said he is willing to talk to the Jets. I guess thats a good sign. His daughter goes to school at Princeton so that couldnt hurt either.

I like Spagnoulo but he coaches a 4-3 with the Giants and the Jets finally brought in the personal to run the 3-4.

I like Billick some as well but he has a track record of being bad at developing QB's. I dont think he really has been given much to work with though.

[bowler533]

I think the Jets acted too quickly here. I mean the team was 8-3. They were doing some things right. Yes, they fell apart at the end of the season, but I wouldn't be as drastic as firing the head coach.

[kevmvp]

Originally Posted by bowler533 I think the Jets acted too quickly here. I mean the team was 8-3. They were doing some things right. Yes, they fell apart at the end of the season, but I wouldn't be as drastic as firing the head coach.

It's a tough call I agree. But the team collapsed. I probably could have been swayed either way on this one.

[NYJets30]

I disagree with the decision. Mangini did some questionable things this year, but overall he has been a lot more positive than negative in his 3 years here. Lets not forget we won 10 games and made the Playoffs in his first year, and did it with basically hopes and dreams. We were not a strong team that year but Mangini did such a good job that he was in Coach of the Year discussions.

My main concern this year was how we abandoned the running game. We have a Pro-Bowl, franchise record breaking RB in Thomas Jones and one of the games great game breaking weapons in Leon Washington. On the other hand we have a 39 year old QB who led the league in INT's most of the year. Dont you think we would RUN THE FOOTBALL??? We were not taking advantage of our good O-Line and strong ground game nearly enough in the last half of the year, and it ended up costing us games

The Defense is another sore spot. We were #3 in the NFL in Run D going into the Denver game. Peyton Hillis gashed us, and we never seemed to recover. I dont know if Kris Jenkins got worn out, or if we spent so much time concentrating on stopping the pass that we forgot about the run. And like kevmvp said, our pass rush disappeared.

Having said all that, I dont like the decision to fire him. Continuity and chemistry are an important part of a winning team. Constantly hiring and firing coaches is counter productive. Look at Jason Campbell, great potential but he was constantly re-adjusting to new O coordinators and new playbooks every year, and it held him back. 1 losing season in 3 years? I'll take it. Teams are always looking for a quick fix, the "now" solution and I think it ends up hurting in the long run

[cdobry1991]

I was expecting the Marinelli and Crennel firings, but not so much Mangini. 2 winning season in three years is not enough to keep the job is just surprising. They play in a pretty tough division too. 2 teams at 11-5, and 3 over .500 and Buffalo was looking strong early on. I do agree Leon Washington was vastly underused and their defense was a letdown at times. I'd much rather see Cowher take over the Jets than the Browns. I could see Favre coming back, or the Jets taking a QB in round 2 or 3, and letting there be a competition with them and Clemens.

[daddypoe]

Mangini shouldn't have been fired. Favre threw for 2 TDs and 9 INTs in the last 5 games, he is why the Jets aren't in the playoffs.

Den 34 @ Jets 17 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 1 Ints
Jets 14 @ SF 24 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 1 Ints
Buf 27 @ Jets 31 - Win - Favre 1 TDs 2 Ints
Jets 3 @ Sea 13 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 2 Ints
Mia 24 @ Jets 17 - Loss - Favre 1 TDs 3 Ints

There isn't much argument there. If Favre even plays mediocre they go 4-1 instead. I can't believe how he blew if for the team down the stretch.

[kevmvp]

Originally Posted by NYJets30 I disagree with the decision. Mangini did some questionable things this year, but overall he has been a lot more positive than negative in his 3 years here. Lets not forget we won 10 games and made the Playoffs in his first year, and did it with basically hopes and dreams. We were not a strong team that year but Mangini did such a good job that he was in Coach of the Year discussions. My main concern this year was how we abandoned the running game. We have a Pro-Bowl, franchise record breaking RB in Thomas Jones and one of the games great game breaking weapons in Leon Washington. On the other hand we have a 39 year old QB who led the league in INT's most of the year. Dont you think we would RUN THE FOOTBALL??? We were not taking advantage of our good O-Line and strong ground game nearly enough in the last half of the year, and it ended up costing us games The Defense is another sore spot. We were #3 in the NFL in Run D going into the Denver game. Peyton Hillis gashed us, and we never seemed to recover. I dont know if Kris Jenkins got worn out, or if we spent so much time concentrating on stopping the pass that we forgot about the run. And like kevmvp said, our pass rush disappeared. Having said all that, I dont like the decision to fire him. Continuity and chemistry are an important part of a winning team. Constantly hiring and firing coaches is counter productive. Look at Jason Campbell, great potential but he was constantly re-adjusting to new O coordinators and new playbooks every year, and it held him back. 1 losing season in 3 years? I'll take it. Teams are always looking for a quick fix, the "now" solution and I think it ends up hurting in the long run

And a lot of the stuff you brought up as being a problem falls on the coaches.

Favre was bad down the strecth. No question. Kerry Rhodes gave a good quote when he said they would like to have Brett Favre back but only if his heart is in it and only if he is willing to work in the Off season training program.

I think Mangini lost his edge after the whole spygate thing. I dont know why but its just my opinion. In 2006 the Jets had minimal talent but they worked so hard and were able to make the playoffs. Then some where along the line Mangini lost his toughness and started to get conservative.

Like I said before what happened to the pass rush? The Jets were getting to the QB all the time early in the year and then the pass rush dissapeared after the Patriot game. I think its because Bellicheck and Cassel threw the ball across the middle of the field on us and killed us by doing it. Then in response Mangini and company changed their gameplan and dropped more guys back into coverage. And the team couldnt get to the QB the rest of the way and that was a big part of the reason as to why this team collapsed. Mangini has to answer for that.

Look at Calvin Pace. He had a great first half and then was ok for the rest of the way. Why? He wasnt blitzing as much as he use to.

Tony Richardson got more carries in the Seattle game (biggest game of the season at that point) then Leon Washington. Thats horrible lol.

Like I said I could be swayed either way on this. I guess the final determing factor as to weather or not this is a good move is who they bring in to replace him.

[Saint33]

Originally Posted by daddypoe Mangini shouldn't have been fired. Favre threw for 2 TDs and 9 INTs in the last 5 games, he is why the Jets aren't in the playoffs. Den 34 @ Jets 17 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 1 Ints Jets 14 @ SF 24 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 1 Ints Buf 27 @ Jets 31 - Win - Favre 1 TDs 2 Ints Jets 3 @ Sea 13 - Loss - Favre 0 TDs 2 Ints Mia 24 @ Jets 17 - Loss - Favre 1 TDs 3 Ints There isn't much argument there. If Favre even plays mediocre they go 4-1 instead. I can't believe how he blew if for the team down the stretch.

you should change you avatar. Chilly's doing a great job with this team when you look at the big picture.

[daddypoe]

Chilly has not done a good job at all. The play calling is pathetic, he just has enough talent around him that has taken him this far and saved his ass.

[kevmvp]

Cowher is out. The guy I want is Spagnoulo.