Vikes got your only decent player in the secondary

[jerthemessiah]

[Packers_Loyal]

and watch the vikins poor defensive coordinator make him into a failure

[astablisht]

I have to ask if you have ever seen the packers play? You want to talk about secondary. Al Harris is the man. This guy is awesome and if you have ever seen the pack then you would know that this man alone shut down Terrell Owens against the Eagles. He is very physical and i'm guessing your a vikings fan so you would know nothing about defense. Ahmad Carroll is the upcoming Ty Law of the packers with incredible speed and good hands it's hard to take anything away from this guy. He is only 21 and is sadly better than anyone on the vikings now that Randy Moss is gone Culpepper will be revealed as one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Next we got the up and coming joey thomas who had little playing time but is sure to get more this year and prove to all of you morons that the pack is back and the secondary is no weak spot. Julius Curry also will prove himself this year and the new addition of Arturo Freeman will only make things better.

[jerthemessiah]

Originally Posted by astablisht I have to ask if you have ever seen the packers play? You want to talk about secondary. Al Harris is the man. This guy is awesome and if you have ever seen the pack then you would know that this man alone shut down Terrell Owens against the Eagles. He is very physical and i'm guessing your a vikings fan so you would know nothing about defense. Ahmad Carroll is the upcoming Ty Law of the packers with incredible speed and good hands it's hard to take anything away from this guy. He is only 21 and is sadly better than anyone on the vikings now that Randy Moss is gone Culpepper will be revealed as one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Next we got the up and coming joey thomas who had little playing time but is sure to get more this year and prove to all of you morons that the pack is back and the secondary is no weak spot. Julius Curry also will prove himself this year and the new addition of Arturo Freeman will only make things better.

I saw them play 3 times last year againt the vikes, Culpepper torched the packer secondary for 933 yards, 11 TDs with 0 INTs. He had his best game against the Pack the first time they played, 363 yards and 4 TDs with out Randy Moss. You seem to think he can't play well without the guy.

Ahmad Carroll is no where near the caliber of the Vikes 2 starting CB's, Fred Smoot and Antione Winfeild. The Packers secondary gave up 3663 yards last year, thats good for 25th in the league. Not so great if you ask me, and its only gunna get worse with the loss of Sharper. Freeman is not as good a player as Sharper so it's a step in the wrong direction.

Yes the Vikings had a horrid defence last year, but at leat they made several moves in the offseason to improve it. Adding Sam Cowart and Nepolean Harris in trades, also the signing of Fred Smoot, Pat Williams, and of course Sharper will make for a much improved defence and we all know a good defence gets you further in the playoffs than a good offence will.

Moss leaving the team is not that big a deal, the team scored 3 points a game less without him last year and the offence was designed around him. So losing him should have had more of an impact, but it didn't because other players stepped up in his absence and the offence played well.

[MikeTice]

Great post but you forgot to mention the fact that Culpepper was 2nd in the league in passer rating, threw 6 less INT than Favre and 9 more TDs than Favre. Who seems to be the worst of the two QBs??

Both Burleson and Wiggins had more receptions than Moss did and Burleson had more yrds than Moss.

Hell, Id rank our nickel and dime corners above Ahmad Carroll.

Right now, the Saints or Titans could torch the Pack secondary. Bates may be good, but he cant turn it around in a year.

[jerthemessiah]

Right now Culpepper is better but career I'd say Farve even though i hate em.

Brian Williams is better than Carroll
Ken Irvin though ? I dunno i've never really been a big Ken Irvin fan.

[jerthemessiah]

Originally Posted by astablisht I have to ask if you have ever seen the packers play? You want to talk about secondary. Al Harris is the man. This guy is awesome and if you have ever seen the pack then you would know that this man alone shut down Terrell Owens against the Eagles. He is very physical and i'm guessing your a vikings fan so you would know nothing about defense. Ahmad Carroll is the upcoming Ty Law of the packers with incredible speed and good hands it's hard to take anything away from this guy. He is only 21 and is sadly better than anyone on the vikings now that Randy Moss is gone Culpepper will be revealed as one of the worst QB's in the NFL. Next we got the up and coming joey thomas who had little playing time but is sure to get more this year and prove to all of you morons that the pack is back and the secondary is no weak spot. Julius Curry also will prove himself this year and the new addition of Arturo Freeman will only make things better.

how is 8 catches for 161 yards and a TD "link" shutting Owens down?!?!?!?! Your head full of cheese? McNabb also went for 464 yards and 5 TD's that game could you pick a worse example? I think not. You have lost all creditibility i suggest you don't respond anymore.

[porky88]

I think that guy was kidding.

My NFC NORTH Predictions are

Vikes 10-6
Packers10-6
Lions6-10
Bears5-11

Its a two team race and both should be in the playoffs but I hope Tice kind finally get the Vikings to play consistent throughout the entire year. If not they could fall behing Green Bay for another year.

[jerthemessiah]

I think he was upset that that I said Sharper was thier only decent player and tried to defend his team.
But aparently either A) he has a bad memory or B) doesn't really follow the team that closely and was talking out of his ass

I was kidding I think Harris is decent but the Vikes do have better corners. I'd take Harris over Brian Williams.

[VikingDodge]

This thread got own'd by Vikings!! I was just going to check if any Packer fans are truly scared of us this year? Because it really doesn't look good for the Pac in '05.

VIKINGDODGE