New draft, take a look

[kbarnhil]

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[bowler533]

pennington will stay in new york....the jets cant cut him cause that would cost them 10M, so he'll stay and they'll most likely take d'brick

green bay doesnt have a problem on the offensive line...they we draft defence whether it be at LB or DE may depend of KGB.....Carroll was recetly arrested and may have some impact of the team drafting in the secodary

though oakland does need secondary help, huff doing to them at #6 is too high...if mario williams or aj hawk is still available they'll take him

hawk wont fall to 49ers

williams wont fall to lions...hes a top 5 pick

ko simpson at 15 is to high.....bing will go before him

jean-gilles isnt a first rounder...

bryd is a first rounder....hes over-rated since he played at USC

i have already disagreed with you once about denver taking a CB in round one....they have too many other needs to think about drafting a CB in the first or even day one for that matter....in fact, they have drafted 5 in the last two years.....

dont think vikings will take a wr on day one

kameron wimberly is a day two pick

dumervile is too high

[porky88]

Yeah Green Bay has maybe one of the better offensive tackle tandems in the league with Mark Tausher and Chad Clifton. The media really over reacted to losing Rivera and Wahle. The line began to gel really well last season. They're likely to trade down or take Mario Williams. AJ Hawk sounds like a long shot.

Cuter at #4 is high. Though I expect the Jets to trade down and take him maybe even before the draft starts.

Raiders cannot pass on a player like AJ Hawk or Mario Williams.

Pending the coin flip (I haven't heard anything about it) the 49ers could pick ahead of Oakland and take Hawk. I could see Hawk as a MLB in the 3-4.

Mario Williams doesn't fall out of the top 6.

Ko Simpson is too high.

The rest of the first round was solid. The front half was awful.

Packers taken 2 offensive lineman in the first 2 rounds won't happen. Maybe they take a guard in round 2 but I still doubt it. I think they add one in the 3rd or 4th if that high. I do like Charles Spencer though.

I'm not sure Manny Lawson falls that far. I think he may go before "Kiwi"

Viking have Troy Williamson, Marcus Robinson and their probably going to resign Korean Robinson. If they go WR more like round 3. They need to upgrade at RB,S,OL, and LB before they go WR in my opinion.

Dumervil is a day 2 pick in my opinion. Slow and small.

[kevmvp]

I like the Cutler pick i think that will definitley happen although they might trade down.

I dont think the pack will take D'Brick

Hawk to the 49ers is a possibility if he falls that past the pck and the raiders.

Byrd and Gean-Jiles are to high

There is no way the falcons would take Ko Simpson. I dont think he is that good. Bing to the falcons is more of a possibility.

[kbarnhil]

If you think Clifton and Tauscher (Who I've never heard of) are better than Ferguson I don't know what to tell you. You're from Green Bay so maybe that's why you said it. Ferguson is the best player in the draft not named Reggie, so I don't see how you can argue with that pick if you're a fan.

Cutler also isn't too high. He's got similar grades and intangibles to Leinart and Young. He didn't benefit from playing at a big program but he is just as talented. New York needs someone and if they can't get their hands on Brees or Ramsey I don't see how they can pass on him.

Huff is being billed as the next Ronnie Lott. Fast, physical and a nose for the ball. He is skilled enough to play corner or safety and has a championship pedigree and fills a big need area for the Raiders. He's more proven than Mario Williams at this point, although I could still see them selecting Hawk instead. And if the coin flip goes SF way they will still get Hawk at #6 leaving Oakland to pick from Huff and Williams and I think they should take Huff.

I didn't like seeing Williams fall to #9 myself, but with the need areas that I saw and how it turned out that's what ended up happening. He could go much higher (as high as #5) but someone had to slip.

Ko Simpson is the best DB behind Huff and Jimmy Williams so I don't see how 15 is too high for him when he is being talked about as being taken by Dallas or San Diego at #18 or #19.

Jean-Giles is the best OG in the draft. Lutui and Scott are options there as well but Giles is the best of that group. I don't see how that makes him not a first rounder if he is the best at his position with teams having OG needs. That doesn't make any sense.

I know you are a Denver fan and you blasted me for their picks before. I watched a lot of their games last year and their secondary was sub-par. They got owned by Pittsburgh in the AFC championship. Foxworth and Williams are good 3rd and 4th corners but neither of them are good enough to start. Quantity does not equal quality.

All these are just a discussion, but if you just no you're draft is awful since you gave my team the wrong players, or this guy isn't a first rounder with no explanation than there really is no point talking.

[cubuffsman78]

I like this draft for the most part. My complaints are some of the same as the other two.

I'm not going to bash your top 10 because it got all messed up with Cutler going at 4 to the Jets. He's not a good value there. There are a couple of teams, Buffalo and Detroit in particular, who might want to trade up for Ferguson, M. Williams, or Hawk. I think the Jets need to take one of those trades and select Cutler at 8 or 9. He's much more valuable there and they gain draft picks. The Jets will cut him. They will actually save 3 mill in cap room if they do. He'll count as 12 mill in dead money, but after his bonus is included from this year, he would've counted as 15 mil.

I don't like Ko Simpson going that high. If he does run well at the combine then I'll change my mind and might even give in to the Cowboys picking him, but right now I think he goes to Denver at the earliest. I don't know about Bing going ahead of him though like bowler said. I think we need to remember that USC had a pretty bad defense last season and Bing didn't ever really step out as a difference maker to me. I think he's a good SS talent, but he's late 1st round at best.

I liked not seeing Eric Winston in your 2 round mock. I watched day 2 of the Senior Bowl practices today on NFL network and Winston got dominated by Mark Anderson from Alabama, who is a 3rd round pick at best, consistently. And he got dominated by just bull rushes.

I like Kamerion Wimbley a lot and he is definitely a 2nd round pick to a 3-4 team where he can play OLB. He won't be successful in a 4-3 like you have him going to Cincy. I think the Steelers could take him late in round 2. I watched him dominate Jon Scott with bull rushes at the Senior Bowl practice as well. He's incredibly quick of the edge and showed a nice double move back to the inside as well.

Two WRs that I like to see that you included them in your mock is Cory Rodgers and Travis Wilson. Rodgers is my guy. I think he's going to wow people at the combine.

[porky88]

Originally Posted by kbarnhil If you think Clifton and Tauscher (Who I've never heard of) are better than Ferguson I don't know what to tell you. You're from Green Bay so maybe that's why you said it. Ferguson is the best player in the draft not named Reggie, so I don't see how you can argue with that pick if you're a fan.

I do live in Green Bay yes. The fact that you never heard of either Chad Clifton or Mark Tausher means you no absolutely nothing about the Packers. They've been solid for years and have been starting since they were 2nd year players and in Taushers case ROOKIES. At this point in their careers they are better than D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Rookies don't come in and dominate the NFL right away. They're some exceptions but generally that doesn't happen. The only way they take Ferguson is if the move Tausher to guard. Tausher has committed one holding penalty in this decade. Both are young as well. There is no need for a tackle.

Cutler also isn't too high. He's got similar grades and intangibles to Leinart and Young. He didn't benefit from playing at a big program but he is just as talented. New York needs someone and if they can't get their hands on Brees or Ramsey I don't see how they can pass on him.

Did you watch Cutler at the Senior Bowl. He was very inconsistent and didn't look like a top 5 pick. He'll most likely go in the 6-13 range unless he absolutely plays lights out at the combine. At #4 that is a big reach and would be a huge mistake.

Huff is being billed as the next Ronnie Lott. Fast, physical and a nose for the ball. He is skilled enough to play corner or safety and has a championship pedigree and fills a big need area for the Raiders. He's more proven than Mario Williams at this point, although I could still see them selecting Hawk instead. And if the coin flip goes SF way they will still get Hawk at #6 leaving Oakland to pick from Huff and Williams and I think they should take Huff.

So Mel Kiper Jr. thinks he's the next Ronnie Lott and that means the world does. That's false. Huff has a lot of potential but he's not proven. Mario Williams probably won't be on the board when they pick. He's one of the best DE prospect of ALL TIME. Making his value greatly higher than Huff. AJ Hawk also would be the better pick for the Raiders and in all likely hood that's who the Raiders end up picking.

Ko Simpson is the best DB behind Huff and Jimmy Williams so I don't see how 15 is too high for him when he is being talked about as being taken by Dallas or San Diego at #18 or #19.

He's small and pretty slow. He's about 6-0 195 and is lucky to run a mid 4.5.. Anotonio Cromartie, Tye Hill, and Darnell Bing are all better prospects than him at DB. Simpson is very raw and the South Carolina hype is completely ridiculous. 15 is too high. He'll probably be a late first round pick. The highest he goes is 18 and that's unlikely.

[pete5528]

i know you've already taken some flac for this, but your GB picks are aweful.

the logic "the players they have are okay, but they could be upgraded" works sometimes, for instance you might say that the packer's DE aaron kampman is okay, but mario williams would be a big upgrade. but what you're saying about the packers tackles is just plain dumb. its pretty much like saying the vikings have two very good DT's, but that Ngata fellow is supposed to be great, so they should draft him.

the packers have real needs that need to be addressed with thier first round pick, and tackle isn't one of them.

[TheWizard]

Do you think its possible tht D'Brick could turn out like a Chris Samuels? I mean, Samuels dominated in College, now he's on the receiving end...just a thought.

[cubuffsman78]

Anything is possible...No one is a sure thing...The Bengals learned that the hard way for the most of the last 15 years.