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[kc5950]

Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 However isn't that what every scout does? I mean once you really get a first look at a prospect you find out really what he was. If everyone kept to their initial reaction then Quentin Moses would be a top 10 pick yet. After analyzing him he's clearly not. Considering NFL Network is what reported the 4.75 40, I think you have to take that into strong consideration especially coming from a legit source. Now if it was NFL Draft King (example) I'd see it as someone blowing smoke at a prospect. 1. You are not a scout, none of us are, while a few people in here are good at evaluating talent, that does not make anyone in here a scout. 2. Even if we play the "We are Scouts" game, a scout's opinion shouldn't change based on what some guy on ESPN thinks. 2. Regardless of any of that, I would say that the general concensus among those paid to make mocks, and follow the draft was that Ginn would go before Jarrett, and that Jarrett was a reach even in the MIDDLE of the 1st round. I have never rated Jarrett over Ginn, and I still will not put him below Robert Meachem or Dwayne Bowe. I would probably rate those players as better prospects, personally, but I still believe that Jarrett will be the 3rd receiver taken, behind Ginn and Johnson. There have been question marks about Jarrett's from the beginning, so a confirmation of your question shouldn't cause such a drastic change, at least that is one man's opinion. It's not one persons opinion. His stock is dropping everywhere. From ESPN to the NFL Network. I know for a fact that nobody thought he was as slow as 4.75. From what I read he was listed anywhere from 4.55 to 4.60. Nothing above that. A 4.75 is a significant drop off from what was previous thought and one that would question if he has the speed to even play in the NFL today. Whether someone thinks it's overrated or not speed carries heavy weight with teams today. These aren’t bad sources either. NFL Network is a legit source. Wouldn’t you say so? Should that be ignored? Absolutely not. As for the whole scout emphasis. I was trying to make a point that things change Dailey when it gets this close to the NFL Draft. Like I said if Jarrett wants to put this issue to rest he’ll need a good workout. With a poor workout and a 4.7 40 would you still believe he goes that high. I personally liked Bowe more than him after the Senior Bowl and I was shocked to see Meacham put up those kind of times. I felt Jarrett would still go higher but when I make a mock draft I try and project what I think the teams are going to do and not what I would do. If I projected what I would do then my mock draft would look very different than it is now. I believe anyone who knows the game doesn’t need Mel Kiper or Todd McShay to tell you that Dwayne Jarrett’s stock is going to drop if he runs a 4.7 40 yard dash. It’s not rocket science. Like cubbs had stated. It’s common sense.

1. If you can find me where it is written that Dwayne Jarrett did in fact run a 4.75 I will accept that, I have given you the benefit of the doubt to this point, but after a search I cannot find anything beyond rumors and speculation.
2. I agree with your 2nd point, I made my mock in regards to what I think teams will do. My own perception of prospects is far different than the order of my mock draft. I would not pick Jarrett that high to save my life. However, I think him going to Carolina makes alot of sense.
3. Again, I agree with your principle, however, your worst fears have been confirmed, and the two guys you mentioned, Mcshay and Kiper, had Jarrett being picked after Ginn before the combine.

[porky88]

Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 However isn't that what every scout does? I mean once you really get a first look at a prospect you find out really what he was. If everyone kept to their initial reaction then Quentin Moses would be a top 10 pick yet. After analyzing him he's clearly not. Considering NFL Network is what reported the 4.75 40, I think you have to take that into strong consideration especially coming from a legit source. Now if it was NFL Draft King (example) I'd see it as someone blowing smoke at a prospect. 1. You are not a scout, none of us are, while a few people in here are good at evaluating talent, that does not make anyone in here a scout. 2. Even if we play the "We are Scouts" game, a scout's opinion shouldn't change based on what some guy on ESPN thinks. 2. Regardless of any of that, I would say that the general concensus among those paid to make mocks, and follow the draft was that Ginn would go before Jarrett, and that Jarrett was a reach even in the MIDDLE of the 1st round. I have never rated Jarrett over Ginn, and I still will not put him below Robert Meachem or Dwayne Bowe. I would probably rate those players as better prospects, personally, but I still believe that Jarrett will be the 3rd receiver taken, behind Ginn and Johnson. There have been question marks about Jarrett's from the beginning, so a confirmation of your question shouldn't cause such a drastic change, at least that is one man's opinion. It's not one persons opinion. His stock is dropping everywhere. From ESPN to the NFL Network. I know for a fact that nobody thought he was as slow as 4.75. From what I read he was listed anywhere from 4.55 to 4.60. Nothing above that. A 4.75 is a significant drop off from what was previous thought and one that would question if he has the speed to even play in the NFL today. Whether someone thinks it's overrated or not speed carries heavy weight with teams today. These aren’t bad sources either. NFL Network is a legit source. Wouldn’t you say so? Should that be ignored? Absolutely not. As for the whole scout emphasis. I was trying to make a point that things change Dailey when it gets this close to the NFL Draft. Like I said if Jarrett wants to put this issue to rest he’ll need a good workout. With a poor workout and a 4.7 40 would you still believe he goes that high. I personally liked Bowe more than him after the Senior Bowl and I was shocked to see Meacham put up those kind of times. I felt Jarrett would still go higher but when I make a mock draft I try and project what I think the teams are going to do and not what I would do. If I projected what I would do then my mock draft would look very different than it is now. I believe anyone who knows the game doesn’t need Mel Kiper or Todd McShay to tell you that Dwayne Jarrett’s stock is going to drop if he runs a 4.7 40 yard dash. It’s not rocket science. Like cubbs had stated. It’s common sense. 1. If you can find me where it is written that Dwayne Jarrett did in fact run a 4.75 I will accept that, I have given you the benefit of the doubt to this point, but after a search I cannot find anything beyond rumors and speculation. 2. I agree with your 2nd point, I made my mock in regards to what I think teams will do. My own perception of prospects is far different than the order of my mock draft. I would not pick Jarrett that high to save my life. However, I think him going to Carolina makes alot of sense. 3. Again, I agree with your principle, however, your worst fears have been confirmed, and the two guys you mentioned, Mcshay and Kiper, had Jarrett being picked after Ginn before the combine.

I heard it on TV on NFL Network's combine coverage. I'm not the type of person that makes stuff up. Cubbs heard it too.

What was my worst fear? :?

I was under the assumption that Kiper and McShay had Ginn rated higher than Jarrett since January. I personally don't like Ginn but he did come across very humble in his interviews. Again I heard Ginn on NFL Network.

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 However isn't that what every scout does? I mean once you really get a first look at a prospect you find out really what he was. If everyone kept to their initial reaction then Quentin Moses would be a top 10 pick yet. After analyzing him he's clearly not. Considering NFL Network is what reported the 4.75 40, I think you have to take that into strong consideration especially coming from a legit source. Now if it was NFL Draft King (example) I'd see it as someone blowing smoke at a prospect. 1. You are not a scout, none of us are, while a few people in here are good at evaluating talent, that does not make anyone in here a scout. 2. Even if we play the "We are Scouts" game, a scout's opinion shouldn't change based on what some guy on ESPN thinks. 2. Regardless of any of that, I would say that the general concensus among those paid to make mocks, and follow the draft was that Ginn would go before Jarrett, and that Jarrett was a reach even in the MIDDLE of the 1st round. I have never rated Jarrett over Ginn, and I still will not put him below Robert Meachem or Dwayne Bowe. I would probably rate those players as better prospects, personally, but I still believe that Jarrett will be the 3rd receiver taken, behind Ginn and Johnson. There have been question marks about Jarrett's from the beginning, so a confirmation of your question shouldn't cause such a drastic change, at least that is one man's opinion. It's not one persons opinion. His stock is dropping everywhere. From ESPN to the NFL Network. I know for a fact that nobody thought he was as slow as 4.75. From what I read he was listed anywhere from 4.55 to 4.60. Nothing above that. A 4.75 is a significant drop off from what was previous thought and one that would question if he has the speed to even play in the NFL today. Whether someone thinks it's overrated or not speed carries heavy weight with teams today. These aren’t bad sources either. NFL Network is a legit source. Wouldn’t you say so? Should that be ignored? Absolutely not. As for the whole scout emphasis. I was trying to make a point that things change Dailey when it gets this close to the NFL Draft. Like I said if Jarrett wants to put this issue to rest he’ll need a good workout. With a poor workout and a 4.7 40 would you still believe he goes that high. I personally liked Bowe more than him after the Senior Bowl and I was shocked to see Meacham put up those kind of times. I felt Jarrett would still go higher but when I make a mock draft I try and project what I think the teams are going to do and not what I would do. If I projected what I would do then my mock draft would look very different than it is now. I believe anyone who knows the game doesn’t need Mel Kiper or Todd McShay to tell you that Dwayne Jarrett’s stock is going to drop if he runs a 4.7 40 yard dash. It’s not rocket science. Like cubbs had stated. It’s common sense. 1. If you can find me where it is written that Dwayne Jarrett did in fact run a 4.75 I will accept that, I have given you the benefit of the doubt to this point, but after a search I cannot find anything beyond rumors and speculation. 2. I agree with your 2nd point, I made my mock in regards to what I think teams will do. My own perception of prospects is far different than the order of my mock draft. I would not pick Jarrett that high to save my life. However, I think him going to Carolina makes alot of sense. 3. Again, I agree with your principle, however, your worst fears have been confirmed, and the two guys you mentioned, Mcshay and Kiper, had Jarrett being picked after Ginn before the combine. I heard it on TV on NFL Network's combine coverage. I'm not the type of person that makes stuff up. Cubbs heard it too. What was my worst fear? :? I was under the assumption that Kiper and McShay had Ginn rated higher than Jarrett since January. I personally don't like Ginn but he did come across very humble in his interviews. Again I heard Ginn on NFL Network.

If it was definitive on TV, not speculation, then I will have to accept it, I guess, we will see at his Pro Day. I would like someone to back you up however. Unfortunately though, I neither have NFL network, nor was I near a TV last weekend. I spent the entire weekend in Palm Springs visiting my Grandma. I meant your worst fear in regards to Dwayne Jarrett, him being slow.

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by porky88 However isn't that what every scout does? I mean once you really get a first look at a prospect you find out really what he was. If everyone kept to their initial reaction then Quentin Moses would be a top 10 pick yet. After analyzing him he's clearly not. Considering NFL Network is what reported the 4.75 40, I think you have to take that into strong consideration especially coming from a legit source. Now if it was NFL Draft King (example) I'd see it as someone blowing smoke at a prospect. 1. You are not a scout, none of us are, while a few people in here are good at evaluating talent, that does not make anyone in here a scout. 2. Even if we play the "We are Scouts" game, a scout's opinion shouldn't change based on what some guy on ESPN thinks. 2. Regardless of any of that, I would say that the general concensus among those paid to make mocks, and follow the draft was that Ginn would go before Jarrett, and that Jarrett was a reach even in the MIDDLE of the 1st round. I have never rated Jarrett over Ginn, and I still will not put him below Robert Meachem or Dwayne Bowe. I would probably rate those players as better prospects, personally, but I still believe that Jarrett will be the 3rd receiver taken, behind Ginn and Johnson. There have been question marks about Jarrett's from the beginning, so a confirmation of your question shouldn't cause such a drastic change, at least that is one man's opinion. It's not one persons opinion. His stock is dropping everywhere. From ESPN to the NFL Network. I know for a fact that nobody thought he was as slow as 4.75. From what I read he was listed anywhere from 4.55 to 4.60. Nothing above that. A 4.75 is a significant drop off from what was previous thought and one that would question if he has the speed to even play in the NFL today. Whether someone thinks it's overrated or not speed carries heavy weight with teams today. These aren’t bad sources either. NFL Network is a legit source. Wouldn’t you say so? Should that be ignored? Absolutely not. As for the whole scout emphasis. I was trying to make a point that things change Dailey when it gets this close to the NFL Draft. Like I said if Jarrett wants to put this issue to rest he’ll need a good workout. With a poor workout and a 4.7 40 would you still believe he goes that high. I personally liked Bowe more than him after the Senior Bowl and I was shocked to see Meacham put up those kind of times. I felt Jarrett would still go higher but when I make a mock draft I try and project what I think the teams are going to do and not what I would do. If I projected what I would do then my mock draft would look very different than it is now. I believe anyone who knows the game doesn’t need Mel Kiper or Todd McShay to tell you that Dwayne Jarrett’s stock is going to drop if he runs a 4.7 40 yard dash. It’s not rocket science. Like cubbs had stated. It’s common sense. 1. If you can find me where it is written that Dwayne Jarrett did in fact run a 4.75 I will accept that, I have given you the benefit of the doubt to this point, but after a search I cannot find anything beyond rumors and speculation. 2. I agree with your 2nd point, I made my mock in regards to what I think teams will do. My own perception of prospects is far different than the order of my mock draft. I would not pick Jarrett that high to save my life. However, I think him going to Carolina makes alot of sense. 3. Again, I agree with your principle, however, your worst fears have been confirmed, and the two guys you mentioned, Mcshay and Kiper, had Jarrett being picked after Ginn before the combine. I heard it on TV on NFL Network's combine coverage. I'm not the type of person that makes stuff up. Cubbs heard it too. What was my worst fear? :? I was under the assumption that Kiper and McShay had Ginn rated higher than Jarrett since January. I personally don't like Ginn but he did come across very humble in his interviews. Again I heard Ginn on NFL Network. If it was definitive on TV, not speculation, then I will have to accept it, I guess, we will see at his Pro Day. I would like someone to back you up however. Unfortunately though, I neither have NFL network, nor was I near a TV last weekend. I spent the entire weekend in Palm Springs visiting my Grandma. I meant your worst fear in regards to Dwayne Jarrett, him being slow.

I heard it as well. It was actually big talk and I think that Corey Chavous was the one who reported that time to Mike Mayock, who in turn reported it at the combine.

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by cubuffsman78 Originally Posted by kc5950 Originally Posted by Saint33 The 49ers will sign Nate Clements so CB is not a need. Michael Bush, Steve Smith and Sidney Rice aren't 1st round picks. 1. When Nate Clements is holding a jersey at a press conference then this statement will be valid, until then, it is completely invalid, and gross speculation. Secondly, are Walt Harris and Shawntae Spencer really good enough to preclude the 49ers from taking a CB, even if they sign Clements? You may think so, I do not. That should be happening tomorrow. He just agreed to a huge contract with the 49ers. Also, Walt Harris had a very nice season in a very bad secondary. He had 8 picks and say what you want about stats being overrated, 8 picks in the NFL is very impressive and very rare. Harris and Clements make a good CB tandem. Now, Harris is 32 so drafting a CB at some point is still likely for depth purposes. I just don't think that the 11th pick will be spent that way any longer.

I just saw that he signed. That is one of the worst contracts I have ever seen. Wow.

[Murf]

Originally Posted by kc5950 I would like someone to back you up however. Unfortunately though, I neither have NFL network, nor was I near a TV last weekend. I spent the entire weekend in Palm Springs visiting my Grandma. I meant your worst fear in regards to Dwayne Jarrett, him being slow.

I as well heard it. Kc you need to remember Saints having Sydney Rice going in the first round of his draft that was made a month ago when Rice was still a consensus first round pick. After Rices lackluster combine his stock has dropped and I dont think very many people still feel his worthy of a first round pick.

[black19]

Originally Posted by NYJets30 I agree. Off the top of my head, I think the only reason most people have the Jets taking a WR 1st round isbecause McShay and Kiper have been saying it. I personally put WR as maybe the #5 need behind CB, DL, TE, and RB

For the record, in my next mock (which I am currently working on) I have the Jets taking Olson.

[NYJets30]

Originally Posted by black19 Originally Posted by NYJets30 I agree. Off the top of my head, I think the only reason most people have the Jets taking a WR 1st round isbecause McShay and Kiper have been saying it. I personally put WR as maybe the #5 need behind CB, DL, TE, and RB For the record, in my next mock (which I am currently working on) I have the Jets taking Olson.

I wouldnt disagree with that pick. I would prefer D, but TE wouldnt bother me

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by Murf Originally Posted by kc5950 I would like someone to back you up however. Unfortunately though, I neither have NFL network, nor was I near a TV last weekend. I spent the entire weekend in Palm Springs visiting my Grandma. I meant your worst fear in regards to Dwayne Jarrett, him being slow. I as well heard it. Kc you need to remember Saints having Sydney Rice going in the first round of his draft that was made a month ago when Rice was still a consensus first round pick. After Rices lackluster combine his stock has dropped and I dont think very many people still feel his worthy of a first round pick.

Hold on, you are telling me that in here he was a concensus round 1 pick, (I didnt know that being predicted three picks away from the 2nd round warranted the term "concensus") and now after a "lack luster" combine performance he has dropped immensely (I would say that going from being a "concensus first rounder" to a 2nd round pick in a month is immense). It is not unexpected hyperbole, but I am trying to figure out where I already saw someone saying something about drastic changes to draft boards...

[cubuffsman78]

Rice's combine wasn't lackluster actually. I think he did what was expected of him. He was never a true 1st round prospect in my mind at all. He disappointed me in one regard at the combine and that was with his size. He's a lot thinner than I expected. He was never a consensus first round pick.