Mock II

[cdobry1991]

1 Raiders JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
2 Lions Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
3 Bucs Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
4 Browns Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
5 Cardinals Gaines Adams DE Clemson
6 Redskins Alan Branch DT Michigan
7 Vikings Dwayne Jarrett WR USC
8 Texans Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
9 Dolphins Leon Hall CB Michigan
10 Falcons Laron Landry S LSU
11 49ers Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio State
12 Bills Levi Brown OT Auburn
13 Rams Patrick Willis LB Ole Miss
14 Panthers Reggie Nelson S Florida
15 Packers Marshawn Lynch RB California
16 Steelers Daymeion Hughes CB California
17 Jaguars Troy Smith QB Ohio State
18 Bengals Quentin Moses DE Georgia
19 Titans Ted Ginn WR Ohio State
20 Giants Antonie Cason CB Arizona
21 Broncos Justin Blalock OG Texas
22 Patriots Eric Weddle S Utah
23 Cowboys DeMarcus Tyler DT North Carolina State
24 Chiefs Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
25 Saints Paul Pozlusny LB Penn State
26 Jets Darelle Revis CB Pittsburgh
27 Eagles Michael Griffin S Texas
28 Patriots Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
29 Colts Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
30 Ravens Aaron Ross CB Texas
31 Bears LaMar Woodley DE-OLB Michigan
32 Chargers Buster Davis LB Florida State

[cubuffsman78]

I completely agree with your top 10. It works fine for me...

I'm sure you know that Pitcock will have to be a DE for the Niners 3-4 defense so again...no problem there.

The Bengals don't need a DE and Quentin Moses would sooner be an OLB for a Marvin Lewis defense than he would be a DE. The Bengals have great production from the DE positions: Justin Smith - 81 tackles, 8.5 sacks; Robert Geathers 41 tackles, 10.5 sacks; Bryan Robinson 42 tackles, 3 sacks. They have much bigger needs at DT and in the secondary.

Good to see Eric Weddle in the 1st round.

Too low for Poz...I think he's just going to have to have a solid combine, and a solid one is all he needs with his instincts, to convince people he's a top 20 pick still.

I really dislike Michael Griffin. Someone on here tried to compare him to Roy Williams, but he doesn't make plays like Roy does. He's horrid in pass coverage and not the difference maker that many would like to believe he is in run support. Again the Longhorns had one of the worst pass defenses in the country. Ross and Griffin were casualties of a lot of yards given up.

I'm not a fan of Darrelle Revis either. He doesn't have a pass deflection let alone an INT since the 2nd week of the season. It's not like teams aren't throwing at him either. He's been vastly overrated by a bunch of draftniks. He's not that good. Eric Wright, Dwight Lowery, and Fred Bennett are all better CBs than he is...I'm fast becoming a big fan of Fred Bennett. He's got great size and speed for a CB and could play FS too.

i don't think the Pats will take a WR in round 1. It's just against their character. I think an ILB or CB is more likely. They don't need a 1st round WR to be successful in the passing game. Bellichick won't waste a 1st round pick on a WR.

Woodley wouldn't be an OLB for Chicago. It doesn't fit the style that Lovie likes. He runs a cover 2 remember. Woodley isn't a cover 2 LB. I could see him at DE for the Bears, but the Bears don't need a DE right now. A DT to replace Tank Johnson or a LB to either replace Briggs or compete with Hillenmeyer is more likely.

[cdobry1991]

I did forget about Lovie's cover 2. And I have moved Revis (was 16), Ross (was 20), and Griffin (was 22) down in my mock, I just haven't found enough good prospects to come in yet. I have also moved Poz up from 31, but I guess he should go up more. LOL. Thanks for your help.

[The Swami]

I just cant see Tampa passing up on Thomas. Their O-line struggled this season and allowing Thomas to gell with Joseph and Trueblood would be killer for years to come.

I know that Houston might need a RB, but Kubiak will follow Shanahan and not take a 1st round back and will continue to rely on Dayne / Gado / Williams.

I cant see Miami picking a corner. IMO, they need a quarterback, an oline, and everyone of their front seven is over the age of 31 with the exception of Crowder and Sparagan.

STL signed Witherspoon in the offseason to play the middle so I think Poz is a better LB choice there

Justin Smith is a FA so I like the Moses pick, even though i will say that still probably isnt the biggest need there. With Odell probably not coming back, Willis would be a great fit.

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by The Swami I know that Houston might need a RB, but Kubiak will follow Shanahan and not take a 1st round back and will continue to rely on Dayne / Gado / Williams. I cant see Miami picking a corner. IMO, they need a quarterback, an oline, and everyone of their front seven is over the age of 31 with the exception of Crowder and Sparagan. Justin Smith is a FA so I like the Moses pick, even though i will say that still probably isnt the biggest need there. With Odell probably not coming back, Willis would be a great fit.

Just a couple of comments on your thoughts Swami...

I believe that if Shanahan had ever been in a situation to take an elite RB like Peterson that he wouldn't have hesitated to do so. The fact is that he's never been in position to do so, so he just takes one in later rounds.

You make a good point with Miami's front-7, but I don't agree that QB is something they'll try to pick. Harrington looked great at times and showed some promise, but the key figure at the QB position for them is the monetary one. They have a ton of money invested in Harrington and Culpepper. They're in a bad situation where they have to stick with those two for now. It will hurt too much to not do so...

Caleb Miller was brilliant filling in for Odell at MLB until Brian Simmons returned and then Simmons handled the job while Miller moved back to WLB and it still worked nicely for them. I think DT and FS are such bigger needs for the Bengals. Even if Smith is a UFA they still have Geathers, who is the best pass rusher on the team and Robinson who is very good against the run. I also don't think Moses should be a top 20 pick. He was terrible this season and outplayed by teammate Charles Johnson.

[cdobry1991]

I don't see a QB worth taking at #9. Troy Smith is still a bit of a reach there and Harrington, Culpepper, as well as Lemon should set the QB position.

Cubuffs brings up a great point with Shanahan and RBs. Denver consistently makes the playoffs (exception this year) and always picks 21-26 and great RBs are not avaiable. I think that if Peterson is there at 8 then Kubiak will pounce, they may also trade down in front of Green Bay if Peterson is gone to acquire Marshawn Lynch and more picks in the process.

I do think Justin Smith leaves Cincinnati because Cincy has not gotten the production typical of a #4 draft pick. Again I agree with Buffs that Cincy wouldn't take DE since they have 2 solid starters and will not draft backups in the first round. DE might be taken in about the fifth round.

About Tampa Bay passing over Joe Thomas, I do think that their line is more set than it has been in a while. Also, I'm just projecting Tampa wins the coin flip. If Tampa loses it, then Thomas may be gone to Cleveland before Tampa gets a shot.

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by cdobry1991 I don't see a QB worth taking at #9. Troy Smith is still a bit of a reach there and Harrington, Culpepper, as well as Lemon should set the QB position. Cubuffs brings up a great point with Shanahan and RBs. Denver consistently makes the playoffs (exception this year) and always picks 21-26 and great RBs are not avaiable. I think that if Peterson is there at 8 then Kubiak will pounce, they may also trade down in front of Green Bay if Peterson is gone to acquire Marshawn Lynch and more picks in the process. I do think Justin Smith leaves Cincinnati because Cincy has not gotten the production typical of a #4 draft pick. Again I agree with Buffs that Cincy wouldn't take DE since they have 2 solid starters and will not draft backups in the first round. DE might be taken in about the fifth round. About Tampa Bay passing over Joe Thomas, I do think that their line is more set than it has been in a while. Also, I'm just projecting Tampa wins the coin flip. If Tampa loses it, then Thomas may be gone to Cleveland before Tampa gets a shot.

Nice to see we're finally agreeing on something... :P

[cdobry1991]

Yeah. About time. I've been reading all these mocks and what you say just makes perfect sense. Hopefully this will let you shorten your explanations of my mistakes on my mocks..

[The Swami]

Originally Posted by cubuffsman78 Just a couple of comments on your thoughts Swami... I believe that if Shanahan had ever been in a situation to take an elite RB like Peterson that he wouldn't have hesitated to do so. The fact is that he's never been in position to do so, so he just takes one in later rounds. You make a good point with Miami's front-7, but I don't agree that QB is something they'll try to pick. Harrington looked great at times and showed some promise, but the key figure at the QB position for them is the monetary one. They have a ton of money invested in Harrington and Culpepper. They're in a bad situation where they have to stick with those two for now. It will hurt too much to not do so... Caleb Miller was brilliant filling in for Odell at MLB until Brian Simmons returned and then Simmons handled the job while Miller moved back to WLB and it still worked nicely for them. I think DT and FS are such bigger needs for the Bengals. Even if Smith is a UFA they still have Geathers, who is the best pass rusher on the team and Robinson who is very good against the run. I also don't think Moses should be a top 20 pick. He was terrible this season and outplayed by teammate Charles Johnson.

Since just 2002, Shanahan has passed on McGahee (understandable), LJ, SJax, Chris Perry, K Jones, Laurence Maroney, Deangelo Williams and Joseph Addai who were all first round picks. He has picked 19 (1 RB was off the board), 20 (0 RB off board), 17th (0 RB), and 11 (1 RB).
During his tenure as Broncos head coach: TD (rd 6), LT Levine (rd 7), Curtis Anderson (rd 4), Chris Howard (rd 5), Olandis Gary (rd 4), Mike Anderson (rd 6), Clinton Portis (rd 2), Quentin Griffin (rd 4), Ahmaad Galloway (rd 7), Tatum Bell (rd 2), Brandon Miree (rd 7), and of course Maurice Clarett (rd 3). I also cant forget to add Mike Bell who went undrafted.
Seems to me there is a common theme of passing on high round running backs for low round ones that could eventually pan out. Half of the reason he traded Portis was because he knew he could plug anybody else in and get 1000 yrds out of them. He has been in plenty of situations to pick a feature back but has passed and I believe Kubiak will follow. He is not regretting passing on Mario and if he is willing to pass on Bush, he is willing to pass on anybody.

I completely agree with you about Miami. If they take a QB, it would be one that they would want to start in about 2 yrs or so (it is far more likely they do this with a later pick rather than a first rounder)

Who the better prospect is between Moses and Johnson is debatable sure, and I agree that DT is a far bigger need. However, Smith is a big player that will need to be replaced if he is let go; therefore, Im not going to say that Moses to Cincy is a bad pick.

[cdobry1991]

Addai barely crept into the first round last year, which is why I'm guessing Shanahan didn't select him. DeAngelo Williams was a 4-year college starting running back. He has already carried the ball tons (college) and ran for bunches of yards, similar to Cedric Benson.