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Bowlers Mock 2.0
I won't have any explanations in this mock, but my final one will have. I've tried to mix it up a bit. Maybe it will inspire someone to think outside the box and project a pick accurately. Enjoy!
1. Detroit Lions -- Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams -- Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3. Kansas City Cheifs -- Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks -- Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
5. Cleveland Browns -- Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
6. Cincinnati Bengals -- Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders -- BJ Raji, DT, Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars -- Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
9. Green Bay Packers -- Aaron Maybin, OLB, Penn State
10. San Francisco 49ers -- Mark Shanchez, QB, USC
11. Buffalo Bills -- Evertte Brown, DE, Florida State
12. Denver Broncos -- Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
13. Washington Redskins -- Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
14. New Orleans Saints -- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
15. Houston Texans -- Jermey Maclin, WR, Missouri
16. San Diego Chargers -- Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
17. New York Jets -- Darris Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
18. Chicago Bears -- Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
19. Tampa Bay Bucanneers -- Ray Mauagula, MLB, USC
20. Detroit Lions -- Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
21. Philadelphia Eagles -- Knownshawn Marino, RB, Georgia
22. Minnesota Vikins -- Ebon Britton, OT, Arizona
23. New England Patriots -- James Laurenitis, LB, Ohio State
24. Atlanta Falcons -- Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
25. Miami Dolphins -- Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
26. Baltimore Ravens -- DJ Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
27. Indianpolis Colts -- Brain Robiskie, WR, Ohio State
28. Philadelphia Eagles -- Clay Matthews, LB, USC
29. New York Giants -- Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
30. Tennessee Titans -- Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
31. Arizona Cardinals -- Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
32. Pittsburgh Steelers -- Williams Beatty, OT, UConn
Just Missed
Chris Wells
Robert Ayers
Sean Smith
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QB: Eli Manning, Jason Campbell
RB: DeAngelo Williams, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter
WR: Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Jericho Cotchery, Mike Sims-Walker
TE: Brent Celek, Zach Miller
K: Matt Prater
D/ST: Vikings
IDP: London Fletcher
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03-25-2009, 06:15 AM
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Crabtree to Cleveland is a nice pick that isn't being projected often. The Browns are shopping Braylon Edwards heavily with the Giants and Eagles showing the most interest. I expect him gone before draft day. It'll also be interesting to see what goes on with Cleveland's QB situation. You would think one of them would be traded. I do think the Browns' biggest need is OLB, but WR is quickly climbing the need charts and Crabtree is nice value there -- better than Brown or Maybin.
Orakpo wouldn't play OLB in Seattle unless they switch to a 3-4. DE is a need for Seattle, but it's not huge. I think an OT is much more likely. This is feasible, though. Patrick Kerney and Darryl Tapp combined for just 10.5 sacks last year. No other DE on the team had more than two sacks.
I favor Oher over Smith, but many are still ranking Smith ahead of him. I do think Oher fits the Jags power run blocking scheme better, though.
I should know better than to question your Broncos' picks, but I will anyway. I think Cushing would be the better pick. Denver needs to stock pile players who fit the 3-4 scheme. Cushing is a versatile LB, who can play inside or outside in a 3-4. McDaniels' ties to the Pats would lead one to think he values versatility at the LB position.
Love the Knowshon to Philly pick. I will praise that pick every time I see it. It makes more sense than the typical Wells to Philly selection.
D.J. Moore is slipping more. He had a chance to fix his 40 time at his pro day, but ran a 4.6. I love him on film and still think he's a great athlete, but 40 times are examined hard for DBs. I think he's a certain second round pick. Think more like Darius Butler or Sean Smith with that pick.
Clay Matthews will go in the Top 20. He has been nothing but impressive during the draft season. He can play OLB in a 4-3 as well. He was capable of it in college, but moved to DE so USC could get its best athletes on the field.
Pitt going OL in the first is a solid projection, but I don't think Beatty fits their power scheme. I would go Mack there, but don't think he'll be available either. I think Mack is the biggest omission from your mock. I like him in the mid-20s.
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03-25-2009, 12:22 PM
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I've been back and forth with Seattle taking an OT for quite some time. I had Monroe for at least a week or so, but I wanted to change it up a bit to see how the rest of the mock played out.
To be honest, I have had Cushing to Denver for awhile. Its a pick I would be happy with. However, I think Denver has the players at LB for the season. DJ Williams, Jarvis Moss, Wesley Woodyard, Andra Davis, Elvis Dumervil in situations, and Boss Baily make up a fairly crowded look. Again, I'd love to have Cushing or even Mauagala but Jenkins is possible too. Actaully, any defensive player is a good pick.
Agree that Knowshawn is a much better fit then Beanie. Philly has never tried to acquire or even play a power back in the past years.
I saw some sources with DJ Moore falling, so I assumed he might be able to squeek into round 1. I'll take another look at that. I would agree that Darius Butler is boarderline 1st or 2nd so he could go there.
I know Mathews is a top 20, but I just could not find a way to get him that high. I'll try again next mock.
I'll research Beatty more.
Also, how do you guys feel about Chris Wells not in my first round and Jermy Maclin to the Texans? I went out on a limb there but maybe they will fuel some interesting debates.
I almost forgot to mention my inclusion of Brain Robiskie. I see him as a possible first round pick, espically if the Colts need a WR. He's a nice compliment to Wayne and Gonzalez. I think its accurate to think he has passed Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt.
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QB: Eli Manning, Jason Campbell
RB: DeAngelo Williams, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter
WR: Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Jericho Cotchery, Mike Sims-Walker
TE: Brent Celek, Zach Miller
K: Matt Prater
D/ST: Vikings
IDP: London Fletcher
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03-25-2009, 02:04 PM
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I'm not a Wells fan at all. He's my least favorite player in this draft. He's a first-round pick, though, because of his size/speed ratio. No doubt he's a great athlete. I just question his heart. He's wasn't popular with a lot of his teammates, either. More and more emphasis is being put on chemistry by teams.
I projected Maclin to Houston before the Senior Bowl even occurred. I think he could go before that now. I also think he could drop past Houston. He's a WR, and while he's an incredible athlete, WRs have had a habit of dropping. It just takes one team to love him, though.
Robiskie is moving up and I think he just recently passed Nicks. Nicks gained 14 pounds between the combine and his pro day. That was a red flag. It won't effect him a lot, but Robiskie definitely looks like the safer pick now. He's going to make a team very happy. He's solid all around.
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03-25-2009, 10:06 PM
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i guess their does appear to be issues with wells but theirs no doubt about it hes at least the second best rb in this class. I mean I don't think he's getting enough credit on this forum.. he ran a 4.45 40 and caught the ball nicely at his workouts, showing he can catch the ball out of the backfield. It's not his fault he wasn't asked to do it in college. He's big yet he can jump over you as easily as he'll run you over. Now as for knowshon, he's a physical specimen. He's strong enough to run you over as well although he's not as big as beanie. Knowshon's key attribute though is his quickness and agility, he's a lot more elusive than wells. Wells has better straight line speed, but Morneo is more shifty. As far as catching the ball I don't know how much better Moreno is than Wells, I'd put em about equal. So as far as philly goes is moreno a bad pick? Absolutely not, and theres a good chance it happens. But what I'm trying to say is its just as likely Wells is the pick. I don't really know what the eagles are saying, but to me id put moreno and wells on an equal level as far as power running and receiving for a rb. So what are the differences? If you want size and straight line speed, a guy who gets north and south in a hurry, take Wells. If you want that shiftyness and elusiveness, along with big play capability, take moreno. To me, they have westbrook who is the shifty playmaker, and so Beanie would be a better compliment, but thats my opinion. Neither's a bad pick, but i got wells there right now.
As for maclin that's a good pick for houston but i don't think he makes it there, not with oakland jacksonville and san fransisco all ahead of them.
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03-25-2009, 10:49 PM
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Im not a big fan of Heyward-Bey but him going to the Jets is possible. The Jets need a number 1 WR.
Crabtree to Cleveland is possible if the Browns move Edwards. If not it would still be nice to have them both on the same team to make things easier for either Quinn or Anderson but the Browns have other pressing needs. Mangini is a defensive minded coach. I see him going D with his first pick in his first draft as HC of the Browns. I like them taking Orakapo with that pick.
Your the Broncos expert here but Jenkins stock has fallen. I think Vontae Davis is the best CB in this draft and I rate him higher then Jenkins. It will be interesting to see though if a team drafts Jenkins to play safety. Its a weak safety class so he could be a better option at that posistion over guys like Delmas, Moore, and Smith.
I like Moreno to the Eagles. He's a good fit for them.
I dont like English to the Giants. They have Tuck, Kiwi, Robbins, Cofeild, Canty, Bernard, Alford, and Osi Umenyora who is returning from injury.
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03-26-2009, 12:17 AM
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Thanks for the comments guys.
As for Wells, I completely agree he is a round one prospect. However, I do think that RB's in general could slide in this draft. If New Orleans and Tampa Bay both pass on RB, I can only see Philadelphia as a landly spot for a RB. What I can't predict though is someone trading up and taking either Wells or Marino. Either way, it should be interesting to see how those two play out.
Maybe the Dolphins could be potential players for a RB, as well as the Colts.
I see Jenkins as a possible safety prospect, which is a need as well as CB for Denver. I think this all depends on how much the staff believes in Jack Williams, who showed flashes last season.
I'll continue to do my usual bit-by-bit research. Hopefully I can come out with at least 2 more mocks before the 25th.
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QB: Eli Manning, Jason Campbell
RB: DeAngelo Williams, Darren McFadden, Marshawn Lynch, Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter
WR: Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Jericho Cotchery, Mike Sims-Walker
TE: Brent Celek, Zach Miller
K: Matt Prater
D/ST: Vikings
IDP: London Fletcher
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03-26-2009, 06:36 PM
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I hate to admit it but cubuffsman78 is right BJ Raji has to go number one to Detroit. They can't afford to miss this year and BJ Raji is a can't miss pick.
I like Clint Sintim going a little higher in the first eventhough most mocks have him going in the second.
Laurenitis is another safe pick so I don't see him falling that far.
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03-27-2009, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler533
As for Wells, I completely agree he is a round one prospect. However, I do think that RB's in general could slide in this draft. If New Orleans and Tampa Bay both pass on RB, I can only see Philadelphia as a landly spot for a RB. What I can't predict though is someone trading up and taking either Wells or Marino. Either way, it should be interesting to see how those two play out.
Maybe the Dolphins could be potential players for a RB, as well as the Colts.
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Quick Correction... its Moreno, not marino. Other than that, there are two obvious teams you left out that could go rb... San Diego and Arizona. SD is having issues with LT who is getting older, and sproles is one tiny and two in the last year of his contract (I beleive he was franchised). RB is def a possibility there. As for arizona, Edge supposedly wanted out, and he's no pup either. Hightower is better off getting less than 20 carries a game, they need a derrick ward type guy to spell him like ward did for jacobs. Moreno would get drafted there in a heartbeat if available I think. Indianapolis is another team because Addai is a bit injury prone and their rushing attack was ranked about 27th i beleive last year. Miami prob wont go RB with Brown and Williams, but tampa is a possibility. Dont rule out teams like Seattle, Cincinatti, Houston, and even KC if LJ leaves trading back up into the end of round 1 to grab a guy they like whose there.
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