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Mock 2
Post senior bowl (not waiting another week)
Brief explanations for all picks... ask if you want further elaboration, I can backup every pick.
1. Detroit Lions – Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
I don’t think any of the 2 qb’s are worth pick 1, and Smith is the drafts best player IMO.
2. St. Louis Rams – Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
With Spagnuolo they take the best defensive player in the draft.
3. Kansas City Chiefs – Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
I’ve explained this on the forum. BPA, semi-need, makes them a top offense, helps Thigpen.
4. Seattle Seahawks – Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
They’re tackles are aging, Oher can play right or left, worthy of 4 pick after the senior bowl.
5. Cleveland Browns – Aaron Maybin, OLB, Penn State
Want Curry but get Maybin as the next best defensive player for their scheme.
6. Cincinnati Bengals – Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
Team with many needs goes for possibly the best pass blocker in the draft to keep the dawgs off Palmer.
7. Oakland Raiders – Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Dude is flat out explosive. Al Davis goes WR over OT.
8. Jacksonville Jaguars – Malcolm Jenkins, CB/S, Ohio State
Secondary is a weak spot outside Mathis, get the best DB in the draft who could also play S I believe.
9. Green Bay Packers – Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Whether they run a 4-3 or 3-4, he fits. Good Value, fills need.
10. San Francisco 49ers – Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
Alex Smith is done… time to rebuild.
11. Buffalo Bills – James Laurinaitis, MLB, Ohio State
It will be a LB, but which one? I’m sayin JLaur is tops right now.
12. Denver Broncos – B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
They need help at DT and run stopping. Fits a 4-3 or 3-4, which they might switch to.
13. Washington Redskins – Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
J-Taylor didn’t work out well… another guy who can play the 3-4 or 4-3 and just get after the passer.
14. New Orleans Saints – Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
They likely loose Vilma so in comes his replacement.
15. Houston Texans – D. J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
Dunta Robinsoon is solid but there’s not much else there, gives em a nice tandem.
16. San Diego Chargers - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
RB of the future, change of pace for LT (and another thing that’ll piss him off).
17. New York Jets – Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Gotta take him if he’s here… Clemens is a backup.
18. Chicago Bears – Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
Great Value here, just slipped because of lack of need.
19. Tampa Bay Bucs – Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
Guy has been awesome lately, and DT has been weak since Booger and Sapp left.
20. Detroit Lions – Lesean McCoy, RB, Pitt
Don’t have a QB so add other weapons on offense. McCoy is far better than n e thing they have at RB.
21. Minnesota Vikings – Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia
This guy is tough to place, Minny could use a guy opposite Allen, and the potential he has is too good to pass on here.
22. Philadelphia Eagles – Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
L.J. Smith has failed to impress and Celek isn’t starting material.
23. New England Patriots – Brian Cushing, LB, USC
Can play inside or outside in the 3-4, just what they need.
24. Atlanta Falcons – Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
Chris Houston has been good but after losing Hall CB hasn’t been a strong point.
25. Miami Dolphins – Larry English, OLB, Northern Illinois
Parcells always looks to add pass rushers, and after losing Taylor he’ll go for a young replacement.
26. Baltimore Ravens– Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
They have decent receivers in Heap and Clayton but nothing special. Harvin is a playmaker, what the offense needs.
27. Indianapolis Colts – Sen’Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn
They were terrible against the run. DT is the biggest need.
28. Philadelphia Eagles– Beanie Wells, RB, Ohio State
Great value here, will compliment Westbrook. FYI eagles rushing attack was in bottom half of the league.
29. New York Giants– Clint Sintim, OLB, Virginia
Immediate upgrade to the LB corps.
30. Tennessee Titans– Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
They opt for Hands over speed at the WR spot.
31. Pittsburgh Steelers– Max Unger, OL, Oregon
Will fill the spot Alan Faneca left.
32. Arizona Cardinals – Alex Mack, C, California
The interior line isn’t very good, Mack is the best interior lineman in the draft, but fits best at center.
Round 2
33. Detroit Lions –Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
BPA, fills need, first round value, etc.
34. Kansas City Chiefs – Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
Fills Jared Allen’s old spot.
35. St. Louis Rams – Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
Finally get that LT.
36. Cleveland Browns – Sean Smith, CB/S, Utah
Secondary ranks near last, Smith will start somewhere.
37. Seattle Seahwaks – Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
S is a huge hole, Brian Russell is terrible.
38. Cincinnati Bengals – Rober Ayers, DE, Tennessee
Has performed well of late and stock has risen to the point of pick 38.
39. Jacksonville Jaguars – Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Keep the drafting of WR’s going, maybe one will work out.
40. Oakland Raiders – William Beatty, OT, Connecticut
See St. Louis round 2.
41. Green Bay Packers – Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
They need big DE’s if they switch to the 3-4.
42. Buffalo Bills – Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina
Next best TE… freakish athlete.
43. San Francisco 49ers – Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
The lack of WR talent is Frisco is awful.
44. Miami Dolphins – William Moore, SS, Missouri
Could start right away, depth to the secondary.
45. New York Giants – Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
In the mold of plaxico burress. WR is a need believe it or not.
46. Houston Texans – Rashad Johnson, S, Alabama
They add another playmaker to the now revamped secondary.
47. New England Patriots – Victor Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
I think the guy is underrated, NE should be a good fit. They’ll get the best out of him.
48. Denver Broncos – Emanuel Cook, S, South Carolina
S is the next biggest hole outside DT/
49. Chicago Bears – Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
They solidify their left side of the line for 10 years with Monroe and Robinson.
50. Tampa Bay Bucs – Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
JGal is OLD… need someone to play with Antonio Bryant.
51. Dallas Cowboys – Evander Hood, DE, Missouri
Probably takes Marcus Spears’ spot at 3-4 DE.
52. New York Jets – Ricky Jean-Francois, DE, LSU
Could compete for the starting DE job. I think 3-4 DE is his best fit.
53. Philadelphia Eagles – Connor Barwin, DE, Cincinatti
Gifted athlete with good size. DL is undersized in philly, plus passrushers are always welcome.
54. Minnesota Vikings – Darius Butler, CB, UConn
Watch out for this guy… his stock will rise.
55. Atlanta Falcons – Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
Can’t think of who atlanta’s TE is off the top of my head… there’s a reason.
56. Miami Dolphins – Ron Brace, NT, Boston College
Good Value pick and future NT of their 3-4.
57. Baltimore Ravens – David Bruton, CB, Notre Dame
CB needs depth badly, especially with aging Vets.
58. New England Patriots – Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut
Quick guy to spell bigger guys like Ellis and Jordan.
59. Carolina Panthers – Fili Moala, DT, USC
Losing Kris Jenkins hurt, big guy can help that not so hot run defense.
60. New York Giants – Nic Harris, OLB, Oklahoma
Guy has looked great, and I actually think he could start before Sintim.
61. Indianapolis Colts – Jamon Merideth, OL, South Carolina
Guy who could play inside as well as tackle, should fit the system well.
62. Tennessee Titans – Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan
Haynesworth could leave, and if not there is no depth.
63. Pittsburgh Steelers – Jarius Byrd, CB, Oregon
What do you give a team with no holes? Upgrade at nickelback?
64. Arizona Cardinals - Shonn Greene, RB, Iowa
Awesome pickup at the end of round 2, it was worth it to wait on a RB.
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01-29-2009, 06:21 AM
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I'll bet you can guess one thing I love about this mock!
Don't like Curry 2nd overall. I think that rush linebackers are like small forwards in basketball. They can be had late in drafts, and way cheaper. Thats not to say however, that Curry doesn't go 2nd, I just don't like it.
Love Oher to the Seahawks, and if he falls there, I think he's No. 1 on their draft board anyways.
Don't like Maybin that high, or before Orakpo. If Maybin shows up to the combine at 260+ lbs, maybe.
Don't like the QB's falling that far, I understand your reasoning I suppose.
Don't like Monroe falling that far, or after Jason Smith.
If the Saints keep Vilma they lose their 1st rounder.
I don't understand McCoy to Detroit. Kevin Smith had 976 yards, eight scores, and caught 39 balls for 286 yards. I'm not a fan of his personally but I have to figure RB is low on the list of needs. That was all, by the way, after I believe the team considered putting him on IR at one point with some nagging injury.
I think Shonn Greene to Arizona will happen, but in the 1st.
Tell me in your draft you have Juaquin Iglesias going to the Seahawks in the 3rd round that doesn't exist. If you tell me that then you get an A+ and a gold star.
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01-29-2009, 12:25 PM
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Interesting mock.
If Andre Smith goes #1 then Aaron Curry is a strong possibility for St. Louis. I like that pick.
I know you've explained the pick before but Crabtree to Kansas City doesn't make sense to me. They already have two great receivers in Bowe and Gonzalez. If Stafford is there I don't see them passing him up.
Maybin at pick 5 is a stretch in my opinion. While he does have a lot of potential, he's raw and very undersized and I think teams will hesitate to take him that early. The earliest I'd put him is #10.
I don't think Detroit will take a RB. They took Kevin Smith last year and he hasn't played bad. They just have too many other needs.
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01-29-2009, 01:05 PM
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As for McCoy to detroit wich people have been commenting on.
For what is available, I could see them going corner or linebacker or even DE. Johnson possibly, but again his stock is hard to judge, they could go corner but i think they get a guy like Smith or Harris or Butler with the first pick round 2. Rey and JLaur are gone, and so Cushing is the only other option, which could definately happen. I just think McCoy is being really underated by people, and he could be the best back in the draft. He isn't AP, but he's a gamer. I beleive you can never have enough running backs, and Kevin Smith is O.K., but just not anything really special IMO. Plus another weapon out of the backfield keeps heat off the QB, who actually could be Jon Kitna again, another reason I don't think they go QB and LT instead first overall. (they wait till next year instead)
As for Curry... I don't project him in st louis as a "rush LB". They wont run a 3-4, theyll run a 4-3. Curry will play either normal OLB or even MLB for them, and should be fine wherever, the guy is an animal.
As for kansas city the pick DOES make sense. Yes there is Bowe and Gonzalez. How many GOOD years does gonzo have left though? Any? 3 tops? Plus he is a TIGHT END, not a WIDE RECEIVER, different position. Bowe is young and good yes. But, other than Bowe, who do they have at WR? no one. So if you are kansas city, you already have a young LT in Albert, so you don't go there. The best defensive player on the board in Curry is gone, so thats no option. Jenkins is there, but its too high. Orakpo is there, and that's a possibility I will admit. However, if Management does decide to stick with Thigpen (and it is my opinion that they definately should) and make him Their Guy, then it would be in their best interest to give him everything he needs to succeed. Enter michael Crabtree. He's the BPA at any position in the draft, so you can't get any better value at 3, and he makes the offense super explosive. Bowe Crabtree could end up equal to Fitzgerald Boldin in 2 years... and look where the cardinals are. How that doesn't make sense I don't understand.
For Maybin... your all right about weight. I think if he is 245 or higher he goes there. I beleive Curry is they guy they covet, but you have to work with what's left. So do you take orakpo or maybin? well, if he's heavy enough, maybin is a better fit for a 3-4 OLB IMO, and thats the reaosn for the pick.
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01-29-2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kc5950
Tell me in your draft you have Juaquin Iglesias going to the Seahawks in the 3rd round that doesn't exist. If you tell me that then you get an A+ and a gold star.
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sure lol
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01-29-2009, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdv1
As for McCoy to detroit wich people have been commenting on.
For what is available, I could see them going corner or linebacker or even DE. Johnson possibly, but again his stock is hard to judge, they could go corner but i think they get a guy like Smith or Harris or Butler with the first pick round 2. Rey and JLaur are gone, and so Cushing is the only other option, which could definately happen. I just think McCoy is being really underated by people, and he could be the best back in the draft. He isn't AP, but he's a gamer. I beleive you can never have enough running backs, and Kevin Smith is O.K., but just not anything really special IMO. Plus another weapon out of the backfield keeps heat off the QB, who actually could be Jon Kitna again, another reason I don't think they go QB and LT instead first overall. (they wait till next year instead)
As for Curry... I don't project him in st louis as a "rush LB". They wont run a 3-4, theyll run a 4-3. Curry will play either normal OLB or even MLB for them, and should be fine wherever, the guy is an animal.
As for kansas city the pick DOES make sense. Yes there is Bowe and Gonzalez. How many GOOD years does gonzo have left though? Any? 3 tops? Plus he is a TIGHT END, not a WIDE RECEIVER, different position. Bowe is young and good yes. But, other than Bowe, who do they have at WR? no one. So if you are kansas city, you already have a young LT in Albert, so you don't go there. The best defensive player on the board in Curry is gone, so thats no option. Jenkins is there, but its too high. Orakpo is there, and that's a possibility I will admit. However, if Management does decide to stick with Thigpen (and it is my opinion that they definately should) and make him Their Guy, then it would be in their best interest to give him everything he needs to succeed. Enter michael Crabtree. He's the BPA at any position in the draft, so you can't get any better value at 3, and he makes the offense super explosive. Bowe Crabtree could end up equal to Fitzgerald Boldin in 2 years... and look where the cardinals are. How that doesn't make sense I don't understand.
For Maybin... your all right about weight. I think if he is 245 or higher he goes there. I beleive Curry is they guy they covet, but you have to work with what's left. So do you take orakpo or maybin? well, if he's heavy enough, maybin is a better fit for a 3-4 OLB IMO, and thats the reaosn for the pick.
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I think if the Lions want runningback depth (which I agree is important) they don't use that pick on him. I think they may take a Donald Brown in the 2nd round, or wait til the 3rd where they struck fool's gold with Smith last season.
I'm not dissing the Bowe pick, I just think that on a team run by Scott Pioli it is highly unlikely. The Patriots organization, no matter how responsible Belichek has been for their success, has proven that success can be had without a top receiver, and that paying unproven rookies at risky positions is more a recipe for failure than success.
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01-29-2009, 09:10 PM
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I think Michael Oher is to high. Even after his solid Senior Bowl he's still kind of out of the top ten on many boards and I think what he did was get back in the discussion rather than actually propel himself to the best tackle in the draft. I still think he's fourth off the board.
James Laurinitis is slipping. I heard another note of that today on the radio. He just didn't help himself by not playing in the Senior Bowl. I actually am projecting him as a mid to late first round pick.
Hard to see Mark Sanchez falling to the Jets. I think with the success of Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan, Quarterbacks are once again going to be in the center of the draft. It's a copycat league for a reason.
KC is right. Detroit may use a 2nd or 3rd on a runningback, but not a first. I like LeSean McCoy a lot, but he's just not in play for the Lions in my opinion. They need a quarterback, pass rusher, offensive lineman, defensive tackle, linebackers, and secondary help. That's a lot.
Chris Wells likely goes higher. To much pure talent to not go that high. Yeah he might have some toughness concerns, but come draft day talent normally wins out.
I wish you would of found room for Alphonso Smith in round one. I think he's the No. 3 corner overall.
I would by very happy if the Packers got Tyson Jackson and Brian Orakpo. That's my dream scenario as a Packers fan, but I actually see Tyson Jackson as a round one selection. He's an outstanding run defender and a perfect 3-4 DE. Those aren't easy to find.
Jarius Byrd actually went to a high school of mine for I think two years. He was quite the beast of a player around here, but round two isn't happening I don't think.
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01-29-2009, 10:41 PM
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Larry English is a first round pick and I don't see him in your mock.
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01-29-2009, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bowler533
Larry English is a first round pick and I don't see him in your mock.
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He's in there, just gotta look a little harder.
I don't like the Minnesota pick. With Brian Robison and Ray Edwards, the Vikings have a solid duo to rotate opposite Allen. Also Kenchi Udeze has done something unthinkable and almost recovered fulling from leukemia and is expected back at training camp. Although me may not be back to form, it seems he could be. He's put an incredible amount of effort getting back to playing form, after gaining 50 pounds from the chemo, and if he can make a comeback that'd be the one of the greatest stories in sports.
I think Vontae Davis would be hard to pass on there, and if they do, it'll be to take Alex Mack.
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01-31-2009, 01:05 AM
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Don't like the KC pick although I guess I see what your reasoning is behind it, but I still don't like it.
Right position for SF but I think you have them drafting the wrong guy. Stafford will probably be gone by then anyway leaving the door open for Sanchez, but in the unlikely event SF is starting at both of them, I gotta think they go Sanchez.
Denver IMO will probably go S or RB in the first
I gotta believe Tampa is probably eyeing Harvin as well at that spot. Not saying I disagree with your pick there, but just a thought
Detroit doesn't have the luxury of going RB with their second pick and with the way your 2 rounder unfolded, you can see why they can't afford not to grab a QB.
Something about Philly's second pick doesn't sit well with me either but they will probably lose Buckhalter this off season so maybe they take a shot on Wells there. I think they'd probably address DE or S though since you already have them taking a TE. Philly's running game isn't an issue, it's their style of playcalling that has their rushing rankings so low.
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