Casey's Mock v2

[kc5950]

http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com...dex.php?id=607

[cubuffsman78]

Houston doesn't have a need at LB. Ryans, Morlon Greenwood and Zach Diles make a great trio. Diles was actually leading them in tackles for most of the season before he got injured.

Much, much, much too low for Aaron Maybin. I know you don't dig him, but he's not going to fall that far. He wouldn't make it past San Francisco. Besides, he's not a great fit in Miami. Maybin doesn't look like a 4-3 DE at all and Miami is now using a hybrid. I don't see where he fits in a 4-3 at all.

Lol. I told you this in your last mock too. It's Clint Sintim. Not Simtin. Sheesh. Making me actually have to work as an editor. What is that?!

Raji has proved himself and I don't think DT is the weakest position. Once again, that right goes to safety. He's a legit Top 15 prospect, maybe even top 10.

It's Peria Jerry, not Jerry Peria. I've fixed that for you, but just for future reference.

Seems like in you Indy explanation, you're calling LeSean McCoy second-round talent. He's legit first round talent. I expect him to be the fastest back in this draft.

[mrdv1]

dont like the jets pick, defense is a bigger area of concern.. itll be a corner, safety, or de if maclin isnt available.

crabtree wont fall past the raiders, no way davis lets him get by, no way.

I kind of disagree with cubbs on cushing, I think he would beat out greenwood for the starting spot. Diles and Ryans are keepers but Greenwood is average IMO, plus Cushing can play a little DE. I think he'd come in for weaver on third downs at end and they'd slide greenwood back in. But we'll see

[kc5950]

I do think LeSean McCoy is a 2nd round talent in today's NFL. I think that Beanie Wells has 7th round or Undrafted heart, same with Andre Smith.

I think that the NFL has become a league where first round runningbacks are a luxury, perhaps an irresponsible luxury, rather than a necessity.

I do however like McCoy. I think that Devin Moore will be faster, though they clearly won't be vying for the same draft slot.

I think another possibility, I'll just float it out there, is for Shonn Green to sneak into the first if Wells goes earlier.

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by mrdv1 dont like the jets pick, defense is a bigger area of concern.. itll be a corner, safety, or de if maclin isnt available. crabtree wont fall past the raiders, no way davis lets him get by, no way. I kind of disagree with cubbs on cushing, I think he would beat out greenwood for the starting spot. Diles and Ryans are keepers but Greenwood is average IMO, plus Cushing can play a little DE. I think he'd come in for weaver on third downs at end and they'd slide greenwood back in. But we'll see

I predict a lack-luster pro-day/combine for Crabtree in some critical areas. I'm not calling him Dwayne Jarrett, don't get me wrong, but I think his stock will drop a little. If he runs low 4.4's or does very well on agility drills I'll change my stance, but otherwise I think he'll slip.

Thanks for agreeing with me. I don't think my thinking on the Texans was quite that refined. I simply have been convinced their isn't a db worth taking here, and the Texans ranked terribly in the important run categories last season. They've taken Amobi Okoye and Mario Williams in recent years, and while Bob Sanders and Troy Polamalu being elite defenders against the run are endearing stories, I don't think that runningbacks reaching a team's secondary regularly are goals that young, developing defenses set.

[cubuffsman78]

If Crabtree runs in the mid 4.5s his stock will hold. That's what is already expected of him and he's No. 1 on some boards. Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63 at the combine and a 4.5 at his pro day. He was the third pick overall. Crabtree is very similar. If he's in the mid 4.5s, then he'll be a top 5 pick.

[NYJets30]

Originally Posted by kc5950 I think another possibility, I'll just float it out there, is for Shonn Green to sneak into the first if Wells goes earlier.

Thanks for stealing my thunder lol, I was gonna put Green in the last first round in my mock. If I ever get around to releasing it

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by cubuffsman78 If Crabtree runs in the mid 4.5s his stock will hold. That's what is already expected of him and he's No. 1 on some boards. Larry Fitzgerald ran a 4.63 at the combine and a 4.5 at his pro day. He was the third pick overall. Crabtree is very similar. If he's in the mid 4.5s, then he'll be a top 5 pick.

Michael Crabtree has a 34 inch vertical, according to what I read.

Dwayne Jarrett ran a 4.61 at his Pro Day, and had a 36.5" vertical, and dropped to the second round.

Larry Fitzgerald, from everything I can tell, wasn't tested in the vertical, but based on appearance he has a higher vertical.

I understand that their are other drills that Jarrett did poorly in, and info on Fitzgerald's combine is scarce, but I don't think that Crabtree is even close to Fitzgerald in terms of talent.

[cubuffsman78]

When I scout a WR I look at how one gets separation from DBs as well as how they catch the ball in traffic. Crabtree is one of the best prospects I've ever seen in both of those areas. The 40 thing is so overhyped it's ridiculous. It does help draft stock, but not as much as a lot of people think.

Even on the vertical part, Crabtree on film is ridiculously impressive and I think him testing is almost a formality, much like it was for Fitzgerald.

Dwayne Jarrett, who I liked a lot, couldn't get separation. He was just so much bigger than everyone he played against in the college game that he became the best red zone WR ever at that level. Fitz's VJ? 35.5 at Pitt's pro day that season.

Crabtree weighs maybe 10 lbs. less than Fitz, but projects similarly in every other fashion. They look very much the same on film. Do I compare him to heavily to Fitz? Maybe. Probably. But I see them as being so similar it's ridiculous.

[porky88]

Originally Posted by cubuffsman78 When I scout a WR I look at how one gets separation from DBs as well as how they catch the ball in traffic. Crabtree is one of the best prospects I've ever seen in both of those areas. The 40 thing is so overhyped it's ridiculous. It does help draft stock, but not as much as a lot of people think. Even on the vertical part, Crabtree on film is ridiculously impressive and I think him testing is almost a formality, much like it was for Fitzgerald. Dwayne Jarrett, who I liked a lot, couldn't get separation. He was just so much bigger than everyone he played against in the college game that he became the best red zone WR ever at that level. Fitz's VJ? 35.5 at Pitt's pro day that season. Crabtree weighs maybe 10 lbs. less than Fitz, but projects similarly in every other fashion. They look very much the same on film. Do I compare him to heavily to Fitz? Maybe. Probably. But I see them as being so similar it's ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more.

The forty time is important when you struggle to run good routes, catch the ball, lack strength, and size. Crabtree excels in all those areas.

The three best college football receivers I saw this decade were

- Larry Fitzgerald
- Calvin Johnson
- Michael Crabtree

Johnson is most gifted of the three, but Fitzgerald and Crabtree fall in the category of a strong receiver with good hands that can't run a fast forty.

People need to remember that Larry Fitzgerald wasn't expected to run a good forty and that is why his stock didn't take a nose dive. He came out in the best receiver class ever I believe or at the time. That was the hype leading up to the draft. He came out in that class and ran a bad forty and nobody really cared because he was so good at everything else. Interview him and put in the tape and watch him play and you have what you need to know. That was Larry Fitzgerald's draft process when you keep it simple.

Michael Crabtee is in a draft class that I think is above average at receiver, but the expectation for his forty is the same as Larry Fitzgerald's. Most scouts assume he's not going to run a 4.45 forty. I think most are assuming he's running maybe even a 4.6. They'll talk to him and by all accounts his character is good. After that they'll put in the tape and watch him.

Like Fitzgerald it's not going to matter much cause he'll do everything else at a high level and I think that's the thing people need to keep in mind with Crabtree.