Post-Senior Bowl Mock (2 rounds)

[cubuffsman78]

No trades. So don't comment saying that something will happen because of a trade, please. I actually like this mock a lot. Explanations upon demand. I only gave some notes after the first few picks because my top 5 looks a little different than others.

1 Dolphins Chris Long DE Virginia
I'll go ahead and explain this one because I know Dorsey in the popular pick here. I like Long more and I think he could bring a lot more to the Dolphins defense. He can play a 3-4 DE, a 4-3 DE and a 3-4 OLB. He did all three at Virginia. He played most of Virginia's bowl game on his feet and did a nice job in pass coverage as well. He's more versatile as Dorsey and his motor runs just as hard.

2 Rams Jake Long OT Michigan
Dorsey could go here and I think it's very debatable that he will. I'm giving the edge to Jake Long. I could see Long slipping past here, though. If the Fins pick Dorsey, then I think Chris Long is the pick here.

3 Falcons Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
Yes. McFadden over a QB. He's too much of a great prospect to let go, when there is a need at RB.

4 Raiders Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
Steal of the top 5 without a doubt. He's a next generation Warren Sapp. He might as well replace him.

5 Chiefs Sedrick Ellis DT USC
Ellis showed he's a top 5 prospect at the Senior Bowl. He's a phenomenal talent and the Chiefs will be well served picking him. DT isn't exactly a need for KC, but Ellis is better than a CB prospect or OT prospect at this point. It's all about value here.

6 Jets Vernon Gholston TW Ohio St.

7 Patriots (SF) Mike Jenkins CB USF

8 Ravens Matt Ryan QB Boston College

9 Bengals Derrick Harvey DE Florida

10 Saints Aqib Talib CB Kansas

11 Bills Dan Connor LB Penn St.

12 Broncos Kenny Phillips S Miami

13 Panthers Ryan Clady OT Boise St.

14 Bears Brian Brohm QB Louisville

15 Lions Chris Williams OT Vanderbilt

16 Cardinals Leodis McKelvin CB Troy

17 Vikings DeSean Jackson WR Cal

18 Texans Jonathan Stewart RB Oregon

19 Eagles Keith Rivers LB USC

20 Buccaneers Andre Woodson QB Kentucky

21 Redskins Early Doucet WR LSU

22 Cowboys (Cle) Antoine Cason CB Arizona

23 Steelers Sam Baker OT USC

24 Titans Limas Sweed WR Texas

25 Seahawks Pat Sims DT Auburn

26 Jaguars Calais Campbell DE Miami

27 Chargers Kentwan Balmer DT North Carolina

28 Cowboys Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois

29 49ers (Ind) James Hardy WR Indiana

30 Packers Reggie Smith CB Oklahoma

31 Giants Erin Henderson LB Maryland

32 Pats No Pick

Second Rnd
1 Dolphins Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma

2 Rams Lawrence Jackson DE USC

3 Raiders Felix Jones RB Arkansas

4 Chiefs Mario Manningham WR Michigan

5 Jets Jamaal Charles RB Texas

6 Falcons Joe Flacco QB Delaware

7 Ravens Quentin Groves TW Auburn

8 49ers Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame

9 Saints Ali Highsmith LB LSU

10 Bills Fred Davis TE USC

11 Broncos Jeffrey Otah OT Pitt

12 Panthers Chad Henne QB Michigan

13 Bears Roy Schuening OG Oregon St.

14 Lions Dominique Cromartie CB Tennessee St.

15 Bengals Red Bryant DT Texas A&M

16 Vikings Phillip Merling DE Clemson

17 Falcons Gosder Cherilus OT Boston College

18 Eagles Craig Steltz S LSU

19 Cardinals Ray Rice RB Rutgers

20 Redskins Chris Ellis DE Va. Tech

21 Buccaneers Andre Caldwell WR Florida

22 Steelers Steve Justic C Wake Forest

23 Titans Anthony Collins OT Kansas

24 Seahawks Mike Hart RB Michigan

25 Browns Terrell Thomas DB USC

26 Chargers Shawn Crable LB Michigan

27 Jaguars Jerod Mayo LB Tennessee

28 Colts Eric Young OG Tennessee

29 Packers Xavier Adibi LB Va. Tech

30 Cowboys Devin Thomas WR Michigan St.

31 Giants Tracy Porter CB Indiana

32 Patriots John Greco OT Toledo

[sommerSD]

You really dont like Cherilus, eh?

Hart seems a little high, im not sure if he has the talent to be a feature back, rather be a solid kevin faulk like back-up...i see him falling into the third

Apparently i see Gholston differently than everyone else in the forum, number 6 seems to high
Likewise for Talib at 10

Chargers have no 2nd rounder, that belongs to teh Dolphins (for Chambers). Although WR is a need for Miami, they need to go QB in the second. With Flacco and Henne (and Dixon, who is mysteriously not drafted) around, i think figure they go QB.

I see Ali Highsmith as a Giant before Henderson.

Otah in the mid-second? i dont know about that.

Manningham is a solid 1st rounder, with a good combine, could be #2 WR.

I know you dont like Okam, but not in teh 1st 2 rounds? Thats a little harsh

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by sommerSD You really dont like Cherilus, eh? Hart seems a little high, im not sure if he has the talent to be a feature back, rather be a solid kevin faulk like back-up...i see him falling into the third Apparently i see Gholston differently than everyone else in the forum, number 6 seems to high Likewise for Talib at 10 Chargers have no 2nd rounder, that belongs to teh Dolphins (for Chambers). Although WR is a need for Miami, they need to go QB in the second. With Flacco and Henne (and Dixon, who is mysteriously not drafted) around, i think figure they go QB. I see Ali Highsmith as a Giant before Henderson. Otah in the mid-second? i dont know about that. Manningham is a solid 1st rounder, with a good combine, could be #2 WR. I know you dont like Okam, but not in teh 1st 2 rounds? Thats a little harsh

I've made it clear on Cherilus. I didn't like him throughout the season. I rank him the No. 6 or 7 OT in the draft. I think that's about right for him.

Erin Henderson is a better physical specimen than Highsmith. He's got more potential than any other LB in the draft.

Get ready for Gholston. I think he's a natural OLB in a 3-4. He was actually recruited to play LB at Ohio St. and he's a fantastic edge rusher. I like Harvey more, but Gholston is the more versatile player and was more consistent than Harvey.

I don't think Manningham is a solid first rounder at all. He's runs deep and that's it. He doesn't have Ted Ginn or DeSean Jackson speed. He's a late 1st round pick at best.

Okam is lazy and inconsistent. He shows flashes of greatness and then he just quits. He's hurt his stock in the postseason. I said this a week ago and I think it's starting to prove himself. Red Bryant will emerge as the better NT prospect.

Hart should never be doubted. I think he's proven that over the season. No RB played with more heart. I don't see him being anything like Kevin Faulk. He's a more talented runner.

As for the Dolphins, I forgot about that trade. That changes the bottom of the second round a little, but not with a QB jumping in there. I think they'll give Beck another look this season and look for a veteran QB. Cleo Lemon obviously isn't the answer, but showed he can be productive if you need him to be. Miami has many more dire needs than at QB. If they needed a QB so badly, I'd have them pick Ryan in the first round.

[porky88]

I really believe your going to have to jump on the Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie bandwagon soon. He did nothing wrong at the senior bowl and the only reason he wouldn't rate out high is he went to Tennessee State. He was great all week long and it doesn't hurt that he's an absolute clone of Antonio whom arguably was the best CB in football this year.

I like the pick for the Packers. I really think CB is the spot to go but OT could be too.

I think you rate Fred Davis to low. I think he’s the best TE and a 1st rounder though you said in my mock that you don’t believe he’ll grade out as well at the combine which could happen and then I’d be in the same boat as you. He was so productive at USC as well and teams like those Trojans.

I like the Stewart to Houston pick. I thought about it in my draft. I actually think Mendenhall or Stewart could go there. I went with the DB instead but RB is very possible in my opinion.

Jeff Otah falling to round 2 surprises me. I think he’s a 1st or 2nd round prospect. I actually like him right on par with Chris Williams. I have them going fairly close in my mock.

I differ on a lot of things but it's to early for me to say I'm right or wrong

[pitcherc10]

the browns have too many needs in the front 7 to take a DB with their 2nd round pick. The secondary is very good when the front 7 doesnt leave them hanging for 7-8 seconds

[pep9993]

Tuna loves versatile DE's so Chris Long is a good pick at #1.

The Cowboys would be better off taking two DB's in the first round rather than Mendenhall who is 25 carry type of back. CB Nate Jones and CB Jaque Reeves contracts are up and only Reeves is good enough to consider keeping.
In the second round they need a fast play making "slot" receiver (ala Welker) or a speedy Safety like Jonathan Hefney.

The Eagles need a WR badly. A big posession type WR.

I think Chad Henne would be perfect for a West Coast Offense. I don't think he is a good fit for the Panthers who have Matt Moore who is a stud.

Atlanta needs Matt Ryan desperately. Matt Ryan will revitalize that franchise.

The Raiders need McFadden. Their OL is not that bad he will get them some easy scores with his break away speed.

The Bengals need an upgrade at RB Rudy is not an every down back anymore Stewart would give them a consistent running game that will help the offense as well as the defense.

The Vikings need a WR that has exceptional hands so I think they go Early for Ducette. Best hands and route runner.

Chiefs should take Woodson. Brody Croyle has shown very little for them to be completely sold on him.

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by pep9993 Tuna loves versatile DE's so Chris Long is a good pick at #1. The Cowboys would be better off taking two DB's in the first round rather than Mendenhall who is 25 carry type of back. CB Nate Jones and CB Jaque Reeves contracts are up and only Reeves is good enough to consider keeping. In the second round they need a fast play making "slot" receiver (ala Welker) or a speedy Safety like Jonathan Hefney. The Eagles need a WR badly. A big posession type WR. I think Chad Henne would be perfect for a West Coast Offense. I don't think he is a good fit for the Panthers who have Matt Moore who is a stud. Atlanta needs Matt Ryan desperately. Matt Ryan will revitalize that franchise. The Raiders need McFadden. Their OL is not that bad he will get them some easy scores with his break away speed. The Bengals need an upgrade at RB Rudy is not an every down back anymore Stewart would give them a consistent running game that will help the offense as well as the defense. The Vikings need a WR that has exceptional hands so I think they go Early for Ducette. Best hands and route runner. Chiefs should take Woodson. Brody Croyle has shown very little for them to be completely sold on him.

There is no point in taking two DBs in the first round. They need a nickel guy. Someone that will eventually take over for Anthony Henry. Why take another one? So he can sit the bench? Rarely does anyone use four CBs on the field at once and there isn't a safety worth taking in the first round except for Kenny Phillips and maybe Craig Steltz. Jacque Reeves is terrible too. Neither of those guys should be back with the Cowboys.

Just because Mendenhall can carry the ball 25 times doesn't mean he has to go to an offense where he will get that many carries. He can be just as prominent splitting carries with Barber. Everyone keeps saying they wouldn't compliment each other well, but I see the opposite. Both run hard and are difficult to tackle. Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson are both similar backs, although Peterson is more gifted physically. Same with Barber and Mendenhall, just Mendenhall is the more gifted one.

You just told me you know nothing about Devin Thomas and didn't even bother looking anything up on him. If you had, you'd realize that he's one of the more explosive receivers in this class with very good size. The Cowboys can't just think slot guy here. They have to think about a player for the future. Both Glenn and Owens will be 34 next season. Thomas has the ability to possibly be a No. 1 receiver, although he's still raw in areas. His potential is out the roof. He's also a great kick returner. I'd take a 6'2, 215 lbs. receiver that produced big numbers in college and runs a sub-4.5 40 any day.

Rudi Johnson is more than capable of being an every down back when healthy and the Bengals found a guy to split carries with him in Kenny Watson.

It's Doucet. The Vikes have the possession guy in Sidney Rice. Jackson teamed with Rice would make a great combination.

McFadden could have an even bigger effect on the Falcons than Matt Ryan. He's a safer pick and fills a need.

Matt Moore is not a stud. I like him. I thought he should've been drafted. He's got the ability, but he's not a stud, yet. He won't even be the starter at the beginning of the season. Delhomme will. Henne will be good in any system if he's given the opportunity and no one runs a true West Coast offense anymore.

Year after year. The Eagles make due with WRs that aren't big name or top notch. I think that trend continues.

Raiders OL is good? Same OL that gave up 41 sacks? They're improved, but not good. They have bigger issues than RB (and McFadden wasn't available in my mock anyway). Sapp's retirement leaves two holes in the interior of the DL rather than just one.

Brodie Croyle will get more of a shot. The Chiefs OL was so bad that no QB had a chance behind it. They gave up 55 sacks.

[pep9993]

Reeves is terrible and thats why the Cowboys need to take two here. One to be the replacement for Henry and the other to be the nickle. Like I said earlier the Cowboys have two CB's whose contracts are up, Reeves and Nate Jones. One of the DB's could be converted into a S like Thomas Terrell of USC. The value and need is here.

I don't think Henne reads and recognizes defenses fast enough for him to fit into many of the complicated pro systems. He needs to be able to throw quick passes where he only one or two reads.

Devin Thomas is a good WR but dose not have the quick moves needed to break long runs from short passes. He dosen't posses the body type that would allow him to be that type of player.(Short legs, long arms and tourso)

The Eagles probably won't take a WR even though they need to. They have a history of failure and in recent history it's been the failure of their WR post T.O. make plays.

A good way to improve your defense is to reduce the amount of time that they are on the field and a good running game will do that.

[cubuffsman78]

Originally Posted by pep9993 Reeves is terrible and thats why the Cowboys need to take two here. One to be the replacement for Henry and the other to be the nickle. Like I said earlier the Cowboys have two CB's whose contracts are up, Reeves and Nate Jones. One of the DB's could be converted into a S like Thomas Terrell of USC. The value and need is here. Devin Thomas is a good WR but dose not have the quick moves needed to break long runs from short passes. He dosen't posses the body type that would allow him to be that type of player.(Short legs, long arms and tourso)

Two DBs in the first round is a waste. If you want a good nickel guy for the future, then draft one later and develop him. There are bigger needs to address in the first round than a fourth CB for your defense.

You just told me again you haven't watched Thomas play. He averaged 16 yards a catch, but doesn't break long runs from short passes? He does just that over and over.