Let the Mike Mayock bashing begin

[porky88]

Since I think cubbs said he doesn't have NFL Network anymore looks like I'll fill you guys in on some great draft insight from Mayock. Seriously he's not all that bad all the time but here is something that will turn heads.

He said on Darren McFadden

He wouldn't select in the top 20 and ranks him as his #2 RB behind Rashard Mendenhall.

[sommerSD]

here are his position ratings:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsess...o&confirm=true

look at CB, RB, and WR for some good ol' fashion laughs

[cubuffsman78]

Mayock is a joke. I definitely don't miss him. I've never heard someone actually watching a player work out at the NFL combine and give a wrong evaluation.

I'll never forget how he was watching Marcus McNeil workout and talk about how his posture was wrong and McNeil was reaching too much. He tried to illustrate this by showing how McNeil's back wasn't straight in his stance. The only problem... McNeil's back was straight. He went on to say how McNeil would struggle in the NFL because of his technique. Wrong much?

I pride myself in understanding how to evaluate players and especially on the OL. I played OL and had a terrific OL coach, who taught fundamentals and technique like none other I've ever talked to or watched. I feel like I know OL and I think that has shown with my evaluations of offensive linemen in the past couple years. I liked McNeil more than Winston Justice for example. I was one of the few with that. I also tore down Jonathan Scott quickly, dismissing him as a second day pick instead of a first round pick like many had him projected.

Anyway, my point is that I hate seeing Mayock get paid the money he gets and receive the attention he gets as he pretends to know what he's talking about and is blatantly wrong. The proof that the opposite was true of McNeil was right in front of him and he couldn't admit it. That's a pride thing. If someone proves you wrong, don't be afraid to say so. Don't make excuses. Just admit that that prospect showed something you didn't see. I had to swallow my pride and eat some crow on Darelle Revis, but that's part of the evaluating process with recruits or prospects. You're not always right. No scout is and when you have as few resources as many of us do, it's hard to be as accurate. I just hate to see a guy like Mayock have the resources he does and be so wrong in his evaluations on a consistent basis.

[cdobry1991]

McFadden not in the top 20? Jeez. What's he thinking? McFadden's ready to be in the NFL and ready to be a contributor.

[kc5950]

I'm in the same boat as Mayock. Of the top 4 backs in this draft, I like Mendenhall the most. What we know of his skillset is more complete. At no fault of their own, Felix Jones and Mcfadden have shown little ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. Because Arkansas doesn't pass much, its hard to guage their pass blocking abilities. I think that Stewart and Mendenhall are safer picks. I think that Jones and Mcfadden will have similar fates in the NFL, whether that be Thurman Thomas/Barry Sanders or Cadillac Williams/Ronny Brown, I don't know.

[porky88]

I'm in the middle. A lot of people think he'll be the next Adrian Peterson but I don't believe he comes close to AP in most regards at a RB. However, he is in my opinion a top 10 player in this draft and the clear #1 RB. Though I do really like Mendenhall but McFadden's body of work the last two seasons is undeniable.

[pep9993]

His QB picks are outrageous. Woodson carried his team on his back all year and all people can talk about are "mechanics".

Mendenhall is good but McFadden has that rare combination of size and speed that is impossible to ignore.

Eventhough I don't agree with the order of his top fives I do agree with most of his groupings.

[Saint33]

He has Brandon Flowers at #11 in his overall rankings, enough said

[kc5950]

Originally Posted by pep9993 His QB picks are outrageous. Woodson carried his team on his back all year and all people can talk about are "mechanics". Mendenhall is good but McFadden has that rare combination of size and speed that is impossible to ignore. Eventhough I don't agree with the order of his top fives I do agree with most of his groupings.

Byron Leftwich carried his team in college, after being carried by his team, literally. His mechanics were poor, his arm strength was good, he's now a back up behind Joey Harrington...

Joey Harrington carried his team in college, he was inaccurate in college with poor mechanics. Even an overhaul of his mechanics couldn't cure his innaccuracy.

Carrying your team in college does not translate to the pro game. The speed of the game, and the level of competition on a weekly basis dwarfs that of college. The best defensive players on most college teams don't even get a sniff of the NFL.

The greatest caviat to Woodson being picked high, is that by my calculations 20 teams in the NFL use a WCO, or an offense with a similar philosophy. Woodson's slow release alone makes him a project at best for those teams. Of the teams that don't, or didn't last year only Miami and Atlanta have a real pressing need for a QB.

I'd also disagree that Mcfadden has ideal size. I don't believe that 6'2" is ideal for an RB. I think that between 5'8" and 6' is ideal height, though Mcfadden does possess ideal weight, which I'd consider between 210-230. He's fast sure, but he's a knee sprain and an ankle injury (two common injuries) away from being slower, and a massive target with a high center of gravity.

[mrdv1]

Originally Posted by cubuffsman78 I had to swallow my pride and eat some crow on Darelle Revis, but that's part of the evaluating process with recruits or prospects. You're not always right.

I agree that u should admit your wrong, but just so you know, i don;t think you were wrong with revis. I'm a New York fan, as in I like the Jets and Giants, and follow both closely. In watching Revis, I think he's just what you were syaing he was last year, a good corner in the first 5 yards, big and physical, and a good tackler. But in coverage, he lacks. Don't get me wrong, he's a starting calibur NFL corner, but when he matched up against the good receivers the jets played, he was terrible. He had so many tackles because he tackled the guy after he caught the ball. I was at the Jet-Browns game, and Braylon Edwards made him look silly - he was open all the time derrick anderson just sucked that game, and he made the Jets look silly for trading up and wasting picks to get him when Aarron Ross played as good if not better this season. Ross might have made more rookie mental errors, but that'll be fixed by next year, and he made more big plays for new york. He's better in coverage in my opinion as well. Here's a few numbers to prove my point...

Week 1 - Randy Moss gets 9 catches for 183 yards and a touchdown.
Week 2 - Over-the-hill Derrick Mason catches 8 passes.
Week 5 - Plaxico Burress catches 5 balls but for 124 yards and a touchdown.
Week 6 - Kevin Curtis catches 5 balls for 120 yards and a touchdown.
Week 8 - In a game where Buffalo only got 13 points, Lee Evans goes for 138 yards and 5 catches and a touchdown
Week 14 - Braylon Edwards catches 45 yard touchdown pass to put browns ahead.

Now granted these are just numbers and they seem to improve as the season goes on. There was the helps of Kerry Rhodes and his 5 Int's all year tho, and although he had some solid numbers, they aren't shutdown corner numbers, which is what you look when you take a corner in the top 15. True he wasn't a bust, but he's not as good as he was hyped up to be either... I would have rated him to go in the mid 20's of round 1. Just felt like showin you this tho cubbs cause I don't think you were completely wrong at all.